By davidjay
#101322
Youngian wrote: Tue Dec 02, 2025 4:39 pm
I thinkit was on O’Brien this morning that somebody described his experience of jury service, and his fellow jurors, as this : In any jury, there are always two or three people that clearly don’t want to be there and would rather be anywhere else, two or three conspiracy-thory nutjobs, a couple of right-wing reactionaries, some people who will just go along with anything for the sake of a quiet life, and maybe one or two that you’d want keep sharp objects well away from. Which leaves you with perhaps three or four sane, rational, diligent, and conscientious individuals who will give the evidence presented due consideration and evaluation, and generally deliver the correct verdict.

A microcosm of the nation?
I don't like the sound of skimming back on jury trials as an upper middle class judge has a different experience of the honest British copper from working class people, particularly from ethnic minorities. Technically complex cases like fraud probably aren't suited to jury trials, though.
I would argue that these days a judge, who is trained to be impartial and will invariably have a desire to see justice done, is a better bet than a bunch of random bigots.
By Bones McCoy
#101325
I lack any expertise in the area.
The prospect of trial before a jury has always troubled me.
You know those recurring nightmares, where you're unable to move, or standing in just your underwear...
My idea of hell is "being judged by your peers".

Much of it harks back to George Carlin:
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
That's been reinforced by being a skilled specialist at work.
Herded into "cross departmental group trainings", I was frequently horrified by some people's inability at basic reasoning, or indeed parsing simple instructions.

The fact that a bent copper might aim to "fit up" the local lefty, aided by a bunch of numbskulls was always disturbed me.
I'm not even Irish.
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