[Malcolm Armsteen]

I can remember not liking a few Tory governments, but I don't remember being so obsessed with forcing the Prime Minister out. I wanted them to lose the next election, that's all. With the exception of Bozo and Truss, where my opinion was shared by very large numbers of their own MPs. But I don't remember being personally invested in May or Major or Sunak personally resigning.

Exactly so. But now it's the man not the ball.

[mattomac]

It’s their obsession with being sports pundits it’s why every prediction for the top four in football is often based on the transfer window only for it to fall to bits 5 months later.

[Andy McDandy]

The I today went with "Labour's Darkest Day is Upon it - Defeat Could be Beginning of the End".

Apparently, if Labour loses (or doesn't win by enough) today, there will be no place for it (or the Conservatives) in British politics, as the Greens and Farglists will redraw the map.

Fucking pitiful. Like they never heard of the SDP.

A key thing to remember here is that all journalists are full of shit. They make out as if they're the font of all knowledge, but in reality they know fuck and all. They're the kids from school who jumped onto any passing trend, declaring themselves its biggest fan, while knowing nothing about it.

[Tubby Isaacs]

They don't even have to look back to the SDP. UKIP, led by the very same person who leads Reform now, was romping home in by-elections as recently as 2014. Cameron had already played the referendum card, but it didn't seem to be doing him much good. Nonetheless, the Tories won a majority in 2015 on the back of some well-timed real income growth. Labour can't really play its strongest card v Reform yet- that they're mad Trump goons- for obvious reasons. Add in the Greens having some unpopular policies which lots of people don't know about, it's a pretty ridiculous position to say that it's all over.

[Youngian]

Top reporting from the Sun

[davidjay]

Its not if but when Starmer goes
Who replaces him?
What difference will that make?
Maybe Starmer will stay.

I can remember not liking a few Tory governments, but I don't remember being so obsessed with forcing the Prime Minister out. I wanted them to lose the next election, that's all. With the exception of Bozo and Truss, where my opinion was shared by very large numbers of their own MPs. But I don't remember being personally invested in May or Major or Sunak personally resigning.

This complete obsession with personalities is unlike anything we've experienced before. Thatcher and Tebbitt got some, but apart from that the sheer hatred of people rather than policy is unprecedented. Starmer, Lammy, Reeves, Rainer, Phillips. They all get it and one day someone will be killed.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Lucky The Sun have got such a trusted brand. Otherwise people might suspect they were making it up.- a conclusion not exactly discouraged by her having to clarify that he wasn't speaking on his phone at all, but talking on a train to aides.

[davidjay]

Reform show their political awareness again: