[Abernathy]

Well, there was also the hit and run incident in Stirchley, multiple instances of intimidating and aggressive behaviour, and one of them having been charged with murder.

[Oboogie]

Well, there was also the hit and run incident in Stirchley, multiple instances of intimidating and aggressive behaviour, and one of them having been charged with murder.

All of which are criminal offences and arrests have been made and charges brought, but that doesn't mean it's terrorism.
Displaying the national flags of the UK and/or England is not terrorism or a criminal offence of any kind.
The bit that is illegal is where they are being hung.
Attaching items to lampposts without permission is a Road Traffic offence because they may be a hazard to motorists. It's not terrorism.

[davidjay]

I didn't say 'why' haven't they, I said 'when' will they, given the increased seriousness of the incidents they're causing. Putting up flags now seems a by-product of their main actions.

[Oboogie]

I didn't say 'why' haven't they, I said 'when' will they, given the increased seriousness of the incidents they're causing. Putting up flags now seems a by-product of their main actions.

When they're caught plotting or carrying out an act of terrorism as defined by the law.

[davidjay]

I would think this is heading down the road nicely.

Terrorism
The Terrorism Act 2000 defines terrorism, both in and outside of the UK, as the use or threat of one or more of the actions listed below, and where they are designed to influence the government, or an international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public. The use or threat must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.

The specific actions included are:

serious violence against a person;
serious damage to property;
endangering a person's life (other than that of the person committing the action);
creating a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public;

[Abernathy]

In positing a possible comparison between the proscribed-as-terrorist group Palestine Action and the not-yet-proscribed-as terrorist group “Raise the Colours”, I was not advocating for “Raise the Colours” to be proscribed as terrorist (though it’s a move that would leave me unperturbed were it to be made). I was pointing out both the ostensible (unignorable) similarities between the two groups and their violent actions, and the possible consistency defecit on the part of the government in proscribing Palestine Action as terrorist (which I regard as somewhat dubious), but not the execrable “Raise the Colours” outfit.

[Oboogie]

They're certainly causing a health risk to the public, it would be for the court to decide how serious it is.
Not sure if it would meet the political test as their objectives are so varied and vague.

[Boiler]

At the moment, RtC are (mostly) just a nuisance.

I did get to thinking that with their flag-hanging activities, could RtC cause an RTC whilst doing so?

[Oboogie]

At the moment, RtC are (mostly) just a nuisance.

I did get to thinking that with their flag-hanging activities, could RtC cause an RTC whilst doing so?

I'd certainly like to see the police coming down harder on them for that, councils are spending a fortune taking them down. I'm baffled why the police don't prosecute more of them, presumably they have more serious offences to pursue?

[davidjay]

Given the scale of some of their local operations - which Abers can attest to - I find it hard to believe that they don't work without police approval.

[Abernathy]

I’d not go as far as police approval. More unwarranted toleration.

[Boiler]

It hasn't escaped notice that the opening line of the Horst-Wessel-Lied is "Die Fahne hoch"...

[davidjay]

In a not-very-good day for the Fash Ryan Bridge got a smack in the mouth despite being surrounded by security, then arrested. What a we're not racist from Worcestershire was doing at a racist demonstration in Brighton is not known.

[Bones McCoy]

In a not-very-good day for the Fash Ryan Bridge got a smack in the mouth despite being surrounded by security, then arrested. What a we're not racist from Worcestershire was doing at a racist demonstration in Brighton is not known.

What he always does.

Impersonating zippy off of the Rainbows.

[davidjay]

Looking at footage of the day's incidents some things just don't seem right. For a start, here's the assault.

Ryan walks towards someone who has presumably said something to him, despite there being three police vans in shot. His security men, who should be keeping him out of trouble, are making no effort to do their job - one is encouraging him. He gets punched; it's a single left hand which scarcely causes his man bun to twitch yet in a split second his mouth is bleeding. Ryan isn't shocked, or calling for police to arrest his assailant. His security doesn't detain them. He makes no attempt to clean his face or see how badly he's hurt. In fact, his demeanour doesn't change. If you're punched in the face like that you're stunned, or shaken up. Ryan's none of those things and his security make no attempt to see how he is. After the original spurt there's no more blood.

Then the arrest:

No more blood, but it's still on his face. He gets arrested but the police allow someone to take his possessions. It's all very strange.