[Boiler]

They care not a fig for electoral popularity because the electorate don't share their views.

But their ideological purity cannot be compromised.

[Oboogie]

They care not a fig for electoral popularity because the electorate don't share their views.

But their ideological purity cannot be compromised.

Which was my point.
Far better to impotently shout into the void on marches and at rallies which achieve sweet fuck all than to gain power to implement the changes they say they want.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Those people don't care about traditional green policies very much. I wonder if the Greens could see some "North Herefordshire" style supporters go to the Lib Dems when that becomes clearer.

[Yug]

One involves prancing around the streets shrieking "look at me look at meee", while the other involves actually having to step up do some work.

Being forever on the sidelines means they can hold on to their 'moral superiority' and not get exposed as the pathetically juvenile incompetent intellectual lightweights they actually are.

[Tubby Isaacs]

The falling popularity of the party isn’t good for them. A couple of months ago we were hearing about what a breath of fresh air Hannah Spencer was, and she got lots of publicity, not just her victory but her “straight talking common sense”- ie a ridiculous comparison between MPs hanging around for late votes and nurses. It’s not ok for nurses to be shit faced on the job, na na.

Well that stardust doesn’t seem to have lasted.

[Andy McDandy]

I thought she was bang on the money there. Would an MP turn up pissed to a constituency surgery? Would a 'normal' person think it OK to drink on the job because they're working late?

A system designed by and for generation after generation of developmentally arrested public school wankers needs changing if it wants to be as effective as possible.

[mattomac]

The thing is she was called out by several MPs suggesting what she recorded was nonsense and these were 2024 intake.

Her statements might have as much truth as much of what the Greens say. Considering the intake last time out which was more broad in social demographic.

Her anecdotal statements were in my view a little untrue.

[Tubby Isaacs]

If the place were full of Eric Joyce pissheads falling about, then fair enough. Other MPs said that wasn't true though, including one (whose name I forget) who was teetotal.

You don't have to buy the "Good House of Commons Man" myths to think that being an MP is different to doing high pressure shiftwork. MPs have to pace themselves, or at least the conscientious ones have to. An MP might have had their first meeting at 8am, and got up early to prepare for it. Again, so do lots of other jobs, but they don't have the equivalent of late sittings as well. In that context, I'm happy for my MP to relax with a drink rather than sit there purporting to weigh up the debate when they've already decided how they'll vote.

[Tubby Isaacs]

The thing is she was called out by several MPs suggesting what she recorded was nonsense and these were 2024 intake.

Her statements might have as much truth as much of what the Greens say. Considering the intake last time out which was more broad in social demographic.

Her anecdotal statements were in my view a little untrue.

Yeah, exactly. It's very easy to style yourself as the new broom like she did. Oh, look at those MPs in the bar when I'm in the chamber, etc. I don't know if she's teetotal or not. If she isn't, then I'd be interested to see how whether she's keeping out of the bar, and how long she keeps listening to tedious debates when she knows already how she's going to vote.