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By Tubby Isaacs
#116130
Yug wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2026 6:48 pm And I can't reconcile a burning planet with sacking people to save money and replacing them with something that is utterly shit.


Patients in Rotherham are struggling with a new artificial intelligence GP receptionist because it cannot understand the Yorkshire accent, according to a health watchdog.

Some surgeries are triaging patients using a nationwide AI system called EMMA to avoid long wait times on the phone...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c141dn3d26do
I didn't mention the public sector but it's another big potential user (I know GPs are technically private, but in effect they're part of the public sector). You'd ban them too?
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By Malcolm Armsteen
#116140
Self restraint, social pressure.

An example today - I asked Google AI which Vallejo and Army Painter acrylics I should use to accurately portray a 54mm scale helmet on a WW2 US soldier. It gave me a very helpful answer, presumably it trawled assorted articles on the subject, saving me the effort of so doing. I may be wrong, but I am OK with that.

'Writing' an essay, however, seems to me to be unacceptable and we should combine to say so.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#116141
Why is it unacceptable to use AI to write eg an internal work report? Or indeed something the firm is happy to put out externally?

Anyway, here's the Government ignoring the climate crisis. This is a big solar farm- 1600 square acres.

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By Yug
#116142
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2026 8:10 pm
I didn't mention the public sector but it's another big potential user (I know GPs are technically private, but in effect they're part of the public sector). You'd ban them too?
Ban the use of AI which isn't up to the job, yes.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? That linked article was just a recent example. Lots of companies are getting rid of human staff, mostly in customer services, and replacing them with AI which isn't up to the job. Another good example is the world's worst delivery company - Evri. The utility companies are doing it, too. As are lots of other companies, and organisations across the public sector.

Now, you might be happy to deal with a bot which just takes you round in circles without the option of speaking to a human who will understand your request and deal with it, but most people aren't.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#116144
A legal ban on something that doesn't work well enough at some companies? You don't think that's heavy handed and is going to reduce productivity improvements over time?
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By Boiler
#116155
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2026 8:43 pm Self restraint, social pressure.

An example today - I asked Google AI which Vallejo and Army Painter acrylics I should use to accurately portray a 54mm scale helmet on a WW2 US soldier. It gave me a very helpful answer, presumably it trawled assorted articles on the subject, saving me the effort of so doing. I may be wrong, but I am OK with that.

'Writing' an essay, however, seems to me to be unacceptable and we should combine to say so.
There's my problem with it: Google has provided you with a summarised answer it created by trawling various websites. Great, it has saved you some time but it means you've only visited one website: Google. It has rendered the others unnecessary - they've served Google's purpose.

But what about the people who took the time to create that original content from their own efforts and pay for the domain and hosting, only to have it "stolen"? It's a bit like buying a "greatest hits" LP: yes, you've got a summary of an artist's work but what else might you be missing out on if you'd bought the LPs that provided the "greatest hits"? There might be a little gem you'd have missed.

It's probably a weak argument, but as someone who has created a website (hand-coded, no less) and indeed pays for the hosting and domain, it saddens me that folk may never visit it because a search engine has provided a light, easily digestible summary of it. To a creator who supports those running costs with adverts on their site, it could mean the lack of ad revenue will lead to the site closing.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#116159
Most business documents aren't very creative. A friend of mine, who is very creative, had to knock up reports for an aggregates firm. He was bored shitless and left to become a teacher (at which he is doing very well, and has become a very happy workaholic). He used to trawl other people's content mostly on the internet and use it himself. just like AI does.

The difference as has been said is that Google have inserted themselves into the process. There are certainly issues with this, but banning AI in this context because we can't decide what to do about Google seems over the top, and a way to lose ground to countries who don't ban it.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#116160
More powers for metro mayors here. They will be able to call in planning decisions. At the moment only Sadiq Khan can do that.

Interestingly, the Tory Cambridgeshire metro mayor has said that he's OK some projects stalled by local councils. But the Tories generally will be strongly against this, and use the cheap shot "this isn't devolution". Which it isn't, but it's about having powers exercised at the appropriate level.

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By Tubby Isaacs
#116162
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ospitality
MPs ‘failing to learn lesson’ over freebies after accepting £400,000 of hospitality
Duncan Hames, the director of policy at Transparency International UK, added: “Just because something is permitted it is not necessarily appropriate.

“MPs should be clear-eyed about why these invitations are really being offered. Before accepting hospitality, they should stop to consider what the company might be hoping to gain and what the public will make of it.”
Well, yeah, I'm sure most of them do. I'm not a Kemi fan, obviously, but her attending Wimbledon at the expense of the All England Club (who also invited a senior Labour MP) doesn't seem particularly bad. What are they going to do? Start caring more about tennis?

Others do look more questionable, especially gambling interests. If I were an MP, I'd not take that, but the Government have raised taxes on gambling quite considerably. So I'd argue that, in terms that Hames puts forward here, the MPs probably did consider what the donor might have wanted and thought, nah, I'm still going to vote for their taxes to go up.
Sue Hawley, the director of Spotlight on Corruption, suggested MPs should consider whether they should accept free tickets. “Some ministers and MPs appear to have short memories of the freebie-gate scandal that engulfed the first few months of Starmer’s time in No 10,” she said.

“Showering MPs and ministers with gifts and hospitality is a tried and tested lobbying tactic by big business and foreign governments. There is no good reason why elected officials should be accepting jaunts and tickets to events that have nothing to do with their parliamentary or constituency business
I've not forgotten it- it was a massively overcooked load of bollocks, mostly about Lord Ali, who is a long established Labour donor and peer. Wiki tells you what his main interests are- what favors is he supposed to have had?

Sue Hawley sounds like fun. Very senior politicians need security when they go to events, and this means "VIP" tickets, which costs. The taxpayer doesn't want to pay for it, so this is what happens. Would they be better ministers if they didn't attend any events?

What I think we need is a decent set of principles to judge this stuff. The article hints at that- Lucy Powell has had very nice seats at Man City a few times. She's a local MP, and you'd expect her to represent a large local employer (and taxpayer). As Sue Hawley says, one should be concerned about (some) foreign governments paying for stuff.

But beyond that? Has this lobbying had an effect? Was there a change of policy that is hard to defend on its own terms? That's the important thing to me. This article has some important stuff in it, but it does rather add to the "they're all at it!" narrative. which is a gift to Farage. Do we think Starmer, when he went to a concert with his kids, palmed them off and started getting pissed on Bolly? Or that he stood there swallowing lobbying whole, before rushing back to Downing Street and dictating a change of policy?

A sense of perspective is needed on this stuff.
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