[Tubby Isaacs]

That's definitely true. Something probably not unconnected to the strength of the Tories. Vicious circle. I think what Burnham referred to today would be a very impressive programme. But at least have an idea how the budget is before you make a promise.

[Killer Whale]

That's why the debate in Scotland and Wales is different. There's not an alternative waiting to do that.

But it's England where the need for social housing is greatest.

In absolute numbers, maybe, but try wrestling with the lack of social housing in an area blighted by over-tourism where NIMBY incomers will try and stop new housing estates using every delaying tactic available.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Can the Assembly do anything about the planning rules? Even if they're changed, I guess it's also about money, which Wales doesn't have that much of.

[Oboogie]

That's why the debate in Scotland and Wales is different. There's not an alternative waiting to do that.

But it's England where the need for social housing is greatest.

In absolute numbers, maybe, but try wrestling with the lack of social housing in an area blighted by over-tourism where NIMBY incomers will try and stop new housing estates using every delaying tactic available.

I'm very aware of that problem as it's a local crisis (in South West England) just as it is in Wales, parts of Scotland and elsewhere in England. I'm not sure what the answer is but nimbyism is a UK wide trait.