- Tue Sep 08, 2026 1:48 pm
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People who are very engaged with Reform, and local Facebook etc, they can't be persuaded by evidence. I don't mean them. I mean people who don't particularly follow politics but pick up vibes. These are persuadable, but the problem is they're not actively engaging with politics. But they pick up on big news stories- this is one, and they may notice Sarah Jones pointing out the truth here.
I'm pretty dubious of this "forget all these Reform-curious types, they really want every black person kicked out". Lots of them don't. They want control, and if Labour can show it has it, then it could get their votes. It got lots of them in the last election. As for liberal voters, if crossings are reduced significantly, I don't see the position of opening it up to everyone who makes it to Northern France being very popular.
I think there's some class prejudice in this analysis, whereby a big group of working class voters are treated as ranting irreconcilables (lots are, but not all of them) and a big group of middle class greenish voters are treated as rational people who are just waiting for a stronger offer from Labour. As we've noted, there's no shortage of absolute fundamentalist ridiculousness among these voters.
Oboogie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2026 12:23 pmWe're talking about two different groups of people.
What makes you think they'll believe the government anymore than they believe the BBC - Victoria Derbyshire was quoting Home Office figures and said so, it made no difference.
People who are very engaged with Reform, and local Facebook etc, they can't be persuaded by evidence. I don't mean them. I mean people who don't particularly follow politics but pick up vibes. These are persuadable, but the problem is they're not actively engaging with politics. But they pick up on big news stories- this is one, and they may notice Sarah Jones pointing out the truth here.
I'm pretty dubious of this "forget all these Reform-curious types, they really want every black person kicked out". Lots of them don't. They want control, and if Labour can show it has it, then it could get their votes. It got lots of them in the last election. As for liberal voters, if crossings are reduced significantly, I don't see the position of opening it up to everyone who makes it to Northern France being very popular.
I think there's some class prejudice in this analysis, whereby a big group of working class voters are treated as ranting irreconcilables (lots are, but not all of them) and a big group of middle class greenish voters are treated as rational people who are just waiting for a stronger offer from Labour. As we've noted, there's no shortage of absolute fundamentalist ridiculousness among these voters.
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