By RedSparrows
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Tubby Isaacs wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2026 9:56 pm Jez believes this stuff too, though while he was Labour leader he had to pretend to be grown up and allow at least that the Second World War wasn't without some just cause. Since he's been able to speak freely he's retreated to stuff like "why don't we miss out war and go straight for the peace?". Which is where he was before he became Labour leader. This is a particularly egregious effort, where he chucks about a dozen kitchen sinks at the question.

https://www.stopwar.org.uk/article/the- ... corbyn-mp/

Ukrainians, lots of them are Nazis. Demonstrations don't represent all Ukrainians, so Western leaders shouldn't support them (what?). Anyway, Ukraine's borders "ebb and flow with history" (or with Russiainvading them). Russia is encircled (how does Israel feel?)
What absolutely revolting sophistry.

'History is something that just happens, or the US imperialists make happen'.
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By Boiler
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There is an element of truth about the borders, especially at the western edge. Britannica has a history of it. My father was from the Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast.
By RedSparrows
#116830
Of course borders 'ebb and flow'. Because people made it happen. Not some impersonal historical tidal system.

Sorry - this is a particular bugbear of mine!
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By Oboogie
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Tubby Isaacs wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2026 9:56 pm Jez believes this stuff too, though while he was Labour leader he had to pretend to be grown up and allow at least that the Second World War wasn't without some just cause. Since he's been able to speak freely he's retreated to stuff like "why don't we miss out war and go straight for the peace?". Which is where he was before he became Labour leader. This is a particularly egregious effort, where he chucks about a dozen kitchen sinks at the question.

https://www.stopwar.org.uk/article/the- ... corbyn-mp/

Ukrainians, lots of them are Nazis. Demonstrations don't represent all Ukrainians, so Western leaders shouldn't support them (what?). Anyway, Ukraine's borders "ebb and flow with history" (or with Russiainvading them). Russia is encircled (how does Israel feel?)
The inconsistency and contradictions of Corbyn's positions on Ukraine and Gaza could not be more stark.

Shortly after the unprovoked Russian invasion of Ukraine, Corbyn called for Ukraine to surrender and the borders to be redrawn recognising Russian gains (Trump and Farage shared this position). He said he did this in the name of peace.

18 months later Israel steamed into Gaza. So Jezza demanded, in the name of peace, that Hamas surrender, and the map be redrawn to make Palestine part of Greater Israel.
Oh no, hang on, he didn't!
Instead he came out supporting Palestine and demanding Israel withdraw.

The difference in the two responses? Reasons.

Does Jez oppose war? Emphatically no.
It depends who's fighting who and especially who is winning.
Ditto imperialism.
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By Abernathy
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Apparently, Trump has had a makeover on his hair.
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By Tubby Isaacs
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Does he mean any of this, or is this an attempted shakedown of Bombardier? I'm shocked to hear that a firm that makes planes might "live off" (American) airports. You might as well say Microsoft lives off Canadian PCs. International business, we used to call it, and America used to be highly enthusiastic.

By Oboogie
#117037
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2026 10:46 pm Does he mean any of this,
The constant question with Trump and the answer is unknowable when you're dealing with someone who is so stupid, riddled with dementia and an habitual liar.

Flip a coin, heads bullshit, tails ignorance.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#117089
Everybody standing behind him knows this is a lie.

The NY Times take:
Trump Honors 9/11 Emergency Personnel in Washington
President Trump awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom posthumously to a volunteer firefighter who saved numerous people. He also added to a disputed account of his actions that day.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#117262
Chip Roy, Republican US representative from Texas, openly wondered where the government would get ‘well over $1tn’ for supposed payouts
Chip Roy is a lunatic. Having him call you out for talking shit is like having Chris Tavare call you out for slow batting.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#117281
Trump's moved on to supporting a united Ireland "might as well be now", which is barely the position of dissident Republicans these days. Kemi will pop up and trace this back to Starmer's position on the Chagos Islands, I expect.

But remember, Obama moved a bust of Winston Churchill.
By Rosvanian
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So in a week Trump's expressed support for Argentina's claim to the Falklands and now support for a united Ireland. Farage et al don't give a shit about Northern Ireland but the Falklands, Gibraltar and the Chagos Islands really seem to get the right wing lunatics fired up. I don't really understand why.
By davidjay
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Rosvanian wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2026 12:02 pm So in a week Trump's expressed support for Argentina's claim to the Falklands and now support for a united Ireland. Farage et al don't give a shit about Northern Ireland but the Falklands, Gibraltar and the Chagos Islands really seem to get the right wing lunatics fired up. I don't really understand why.
Because the colonial outposts are reminders of glorious Empire whereas the Micks have always been more trouble than they're worth.
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By Andy McDandy
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Difference between flipping off someone standing on an opposite riverbank or railway platform, and doing the same to the person standing next to you.
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By Tubby Isaacs
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Rosvanian wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2026 12:02 pm So in a week Trump's expressed support for Argentina's claim to the Falklands and now support for a united Ireland. Farage et al don't give a shit about Northern Ireland but the Falklands, Gibraltar and the Chagos Islands really seem to get the right wing lunatics fired up. I don't really understand why.
Northern Ireland is a massive issue on the wider nationalist right. Rupert Lowe would be very mindful of that audience. Farage's audience are probably less focussed on it, but he's felt that he needs to comment upon it, in the light of leaving the ECHR and the effect on the Good Friday Agreement. I think there would certainly be some sort of dust up within Reform over the issue if Farage cut off the Unionists completely. Bozo got away with it because Brexit.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#117297
No, Keith. We're not "naive". We're taking it "seriously" because he's the one who lots of our worst people look to for leadership. It matters.

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