[Malcolm Armsteen]

It's likely about innumeracy.
The same false equivalence which causes the Michael Foot illogicality and the Corbyn Cult's inability to understand that being popular with the party (membership n) may reflect a 'big' number, but the size of the electorate (100n) swamps it.

Liverpool is not the whole country. Sorry to be harsh, but that is what it is.

[davidjay]

As a football supporter and a believer in justice, I've argued and campaigned for Hillsborough for as long as there's been a campaign. However, while there are 97 families for which it is, quite rightly, the biggest thing in their world, there are many millions for whom the event was a tragedy, the cover-up a national disgrace, but it's not really that important.

[Bones McCoy]

As a football supporter and a believer in justice, I've argued and campaigned for Hillsborough for as long as there's been a campaign. However, while there are 97 families for which it is, quite rightly, the biggest thing in their world, there are many millions for whom the event was a tragedy, the cover-up a national disgrace, but it's not really that important.

The cover-up really should be important to everybdy.

The idea that almost 100 plods can conspire and invent a story to sabotage the truth about a fatal incident.
One of those banana republic things that "Shouldn't happen here".

[davidjay]

I agree that the cover-up, and others like it, should be a massively big deal to everyone, but the reality is that most people don't care. I've lost count of the number of football supporters - even veterans of the eighties conditions that meant it could have easily been them - who still believe that in some way Liverpool fans were to blame and that the campaigners should shut up and get on with their lives.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Sir Keir is right to write where the voters are, but the Liverpool MPs are within their rights to be unhappy. Don't see any great problem here.

[Abernathy]

Sir Keir is right to write where the voters are, but the Liverpool MPs are within their rights to be unhappy. Don't see any great problem here.

Well, the problem is that it has given the Trots yet another reason to fulminate against Keir Starmer. Which of course, they have taken full advantage of. You might think that the Trot problem in the Labour Party has been neutralised following the conference, but these nut-jobs simply won't shut up or go away, and as long as they keep affording hostile media chances to portray Labour as a divided party, they will keep damaging Labour's chances at the election.

I'm not saying that Starmer was wrong to publish an article in The Scum. He was not, but it's food for the Trots .

[Malcolm Armsteen]

Under Starmer one of the few attack lines the right can use is the 'Labour is divided' accusation, and as we know that is very effective. So it suits them to feed the division, and the fuckwits of the left can't help themselves from aiding and abetting them.

[mattomac]

Problem is it’s not even to do with Hillsborough is it in the long run, he didn’t come out and say it’s about time the 97 families shut up about it.

It should be taken up privately and the concerns should be made there, washing this in public just hurts Labour’s prospects.

End of the day The Sun was instrumental in spreading a myth but they are one of the many parties involved in that, the police and certain MPs who belonged to a certain party were also instrumental.

About time we started throwing shit at them a bit more in general.

[The Weeping Angel]

I've been given this some thought and whilst I do understand why MPs from Merseyside have a problem with Keir writing in The Sun. I do have a problem with those who having written for The Sun and promoted it are now suddenly declaring that writing for The Sun is a betrayel can get in the bin.

[Youngian]

The Sun article is a wet afternoon in a long comms war and not worth the energy debating about it.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Claudia Webbe has been found guilty.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

An MP has been found guilty of harassment and is expected to face demands to stand down from her seat.

Claudia Webbe, the independent MP for Leicester East, was accused of carrying out a campaign of harassment through unwanted telephone calls against Michelle Merritt, a female friend of her partner. She allegedly called Merritt a slag, threatened an acid attack and said she would distribute naked pictures of Merritt to her family.

Webbe, a close ally of Jeremy Corbyn, was elected as Labour MP for Leicester East but had the whip withdrawn after being charged. She was elected for the first time in 2019 with a majority of 6,019. She denied harassment between 1 September 2018 and 26 April 2020.

Former party leader Jeremy Corbyn had described her as a 'warm-hearted person' who is particularly 'dedicated' to issues of social justice.

The former party leader wrote: 'Claudia is a person who is very committed to ensuring justice is done, and is prepared to state uncomfortable truths when it matters.

Jeremy Corbyn described Claudia Webbe (pictured together - I've spared you that...) as a 'warm-hearted person' who is particularly 'dedicated' to issues of social justice

'I have the outmost respect and confidence in her, and as someone who has known her well for many years, I have no hesitation in recommending her as a person of good character, that makes an important contribution to our world.'

Kinder, gentler...

[The Weeping Angel]

She has to stand down doesn't she?

[Malcolm Armsteen]

If she is sent to prison for more than 12 months (highly unlikely); for less than 12 months (still unlikely) there will be a recall. Then it's down to her conscience, and no doubt the absolute bhoy will be telling her to stay.

[Abernathy]

I believe that Messrs Corbyn and McDonnell were the lovely Ms Webb's character witnesses,

[Watchman]

She succeeded Keith Vaz, so locally there will be some “interesting” dynamics at play

[Tubby Isaacs]

Might be some leftovers from before.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/artic ... -plum-seat

A Labour member beaten in the race for a plum seat by a close ally of Jeremy Corbyn has hit out at the party's "crooked" candidate selection process.

Sundip Meghani lost out to Claudia Webbe in the race to contest Labour-held Leicester East at the general election.

[Oboogie]

Corbyn, "Claudia is a person who is very committed to ensuring justice is done"

....unless she's in the dock.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

She's going to stay on and appeal. Of course she is.

From the magistrate's summing up:

“I found Ms Webbe’s evidence to be vague, inconsistent and at times to be illogical. It was shaped around the overwhelming evidence against her she could not innocently answer, but ultimately I found it to be untruthful.”

He said her conduct towards Merritt was “oppressive and was designed to be so”. “In particular threatening to send intimate photographs to her family and to ‘use acid’ are in my view the best evidence of the intent.”

[Malcolm Armsteen]

And then there's this: