I think this is basically the end of the US as we know it. Trump won’t be around long, but Vance will just set up a tech bro autocracy.
I am very glad this morning that Starmer is PM here. Very glad indeed.

Philip Marlow wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:03 am The old gag used to be that while the Republicans pander to their base the Democrats think it’s the height of grown up politics to insult theirs. Let the autopsy begin.
I should be immune by now, but I still can’t quite believe he’s won again…We’re gonna get Elon Musk in government arent we?
Thanks Phil i really want to hear from a pro-russian sex offender.
Oboogie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:38 am Incredibly it appears that Latinos and African - American males voted for Trump in large numbers a decision they may live to regret really quite quickly.If Trump carries out mass round ups of potential illegals, stormtroopers tend to act first and "but I'm an American citizen who voted for President Trump" will fall on death ears. Trump probably wants to ferment unrest with emergency powers acts to follow.
Crabcakes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:05 am Ok, looking for if not positives then at least glimmers of hope:Vance is dedicated to isolationism and you could argue the US's post WWII international engagement is something of an anolomany in its history. Protectionism and isolationism has always been there beneath the surface on the left and right in US politics.
1. This is not gong to be a Trump presidency. He’s too far gone to run stuff. They’ll let him have some horrible policies to keep him happy, but Vance, Musk and Thiel etc. will not want to tank the economy with insane tariffs.
3. This could and likely will lead to new alliances across the world that may mean we all become less reliant on the US/Russia balance.
Arrowhead wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:14 am It's infuriating seeing the amount of snarky takes this morning from people who notionally describe themselves as left-wing, usually along the lines of "Trump sucks, but it's always funny seeing the centrist melts crying", that sort of thing.We've seen it over here countless times, and they always say it's "funny".
I just cannot understand the mindset of supposedly being a progressive but also revelling in this sort of result. The two things are diametrically opposed, surely?