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By NevTheSweeper
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Youngian wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 2:53 pm Unfortunately not, Dan here is parroting Glasman's Sun piece in the Mail. If I understand him we need a 1950s type national industrial arms economy to lead in Europe although the days of international co-operation are over so I'm not sure what he wishes to lead on. He'd do well to ask why these kind of nationalist dreams of Edwardian born post war politicians were abandoned in the 60s in favour the economy of scale that international projects bought (Concord for eg). And it's all Blair's fault Labour is disconnected from the working class, I'd take Labour's C2 vote under Sir Tone any day of the week.
Oh, for crying out loud!!!
Labour need to learn lessons from their election debacle. At least one MP has publicly admitted that the government are not delivering on the ground. If people feel things aren't changing, then Reform will win power at the next election and most of us will be screwed. That will be Starmer's legacy.
By Youngian
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NevTheSweeper wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 3:29 pm
Youngian wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 2:53 pm Unfortunately not, Dan here is parroting Glasman's Sun piece in the Mail. If I understand him we need a 1950s type national industrial arms economy to lead in Europe although the days of international co-operation are over so I'm not sure what he wishes to lead on. He'd do well to ask why these kind of nationalist dreams of Edwardian born post war politicians were abandoned in the 60s in favour the economy of scale that international projects bought (Concord for eg). And it's all Blair's fault Labour is disconnected from the working class, I'd take Labour's C2 vote under Sir Tone any day of the week.
Oh, for crying out loud!!!
Labour need to learn lessons from their election debacle. At least one MP has publicly admitted that the government are not delivering on the ground. If people feel things aren't changing, then Reform will win power at the next election and most of us will be screwed. That will be Starmer's legacy.
I'd rather Labour took a hit now than come into power spending money like a drunk sailor on shore leave to cheer everyone up. Because we know where that leads. Have you actually read cheerful chappy Nige's spending pledges? It's Argentina level clown car economics. If you think Starmer should replicate it you need your head examining.
That said, the government's ability to communicate good news is severely lacking. And they look like unhappy rabbits in the headlight still carrying the ming vase instead of radiating confidence with their power.
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By The Weeping Angel
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NevTheSweeper wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 3:29 pm
Youngian wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 2:53 pm Unfortunately not, Dan here is parroting Glasman's Sun piece in the Mail. If I understand him we need a 1950s type national industrial arms economy to lead in Europe although the days of international co-operation are over so I'm not sure what he wishes to lead on. He'd do well to ask why these kind of nationalist dreams of Edwardian born post war politicians were abandoned in the 60s in favour the economy of scale that international projects bought (Concord for eg). And it's all Blair's fault Labour is disconnected from the working class, I'd take Labour's C2 vote under Sir Tone any day of the week.
Oh, for crying out loud!!!
Labour need to learn lessons from their election debacle. At least one MP has publicly admitted that the government are not delivering on the ground. If people feel things aren't changing, then Reform will win power at the next election and most of us will be screwed. That will be Starmer's legacy.
I thought you were going to vote Reform Trig?
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By Tubby Isaacs
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Youngian wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 4:32 pm
I'd rather Labour took a hit now than come into power spending money like a drunk sailor on shore leave to cheer everyone up. Because we know where that leads. Have you actually read cheerful chappy Nige's spending pledges? It's Argentina level clown car economics. If you think Starmer should replicate it you need your head examining.
That said, the government's ability to communicate good news is severely lacking. And they look like unhappy rabbits in the headlight still carrying the ming vase instead of radiating confidence with their power.
The Budget actually tried to be reasonably long term in the amount it set aside for investment as opposed to day to day spending. Whether that will survive day to day political pressures, I remain to be convinced. There may be further the government can go on capital investment in near the future, that's certainly the logic of Reeves' rules, but borrowing rates are now high. It doesn't help the Government that a load of people seem to think we're still in Osborne territory of turning down cheap money because "neoliberalism".
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