[NevTheSweeper]

Unfortunately not, Dan here is parroting Glasman's Sun piece in the Mail. If I understand him we need a 1950s type national industrial arms economy to lead in Europe although the days of international co-operation are over so I'm not sure what he wishes to lead on. He'd do well to ask why these kind of nationalist dreams of Edwardian born post war politicians were abandoned in the 60s in favour the economy of scale that international projects bought (Concord for eg). And it's all Blair's fault Labour is disconnected from the working class, I'd take Labour's C2 vote under Sir Tone any day of the week.

Oh, for crying out loud!!!
Labour need to learn lessons from their election debacle. At least one MP has publicly admitted that the government are not delivering on the ground. If people feel things aren't changing, then Reform will win power at the next election and most of us will be screwed. That will be Starmer's legacy.

[Tubby Isaacs]

"Not delivering on the ground" within 6 weeks of their first budget period?

[Tubby Isaacs]

The mistakes of the Tories include not investing. Labour's budgets are much better on that. Shame that actual Labour MP, Dan Carden, couldn't be bothered to notice.

[Youngian]

Unfortunately not, Dan here is parroting Glasman's Sun piece in the Mail. If I understand him we need a 1950s type national industrial arms economy to lead in Europe although the days of international co-operation are over so I'm not sure what he wishes to lead on. He'd do well to ask why these kind of nationalist dreams of Edwardian born post war politicians were abandoned in the 60s in favour the economy of scale that international projects bought (Concord for eg). And it's all Blair's fault Labour is disconnected from the working class, I'd take Labour's C2 vote under Sir Tone any day of the week.

Oh, for crying out loud!!!
Labour need to learn lessons from their election debacle. At least one MP has publicly admitted that the government are not delivering on the ground. If people feel things aren't changing, then Reform will win power at the next election and most of us will be screwed. That will be Starmer's legacy.

I'd rather Labour took a hit now than come into power spending money like a drunk sailor on shore leave to cheer everyone up. Because we know where that leads. Have you actually read cheerful chappy Nige's spending pledges? It's Argentina level clown car economics. If you think Starmer should replicate it you need your head examining.
That said, the government's ability to communicate good news is severely lacking. And they look like unhappy rabbits in the headlight still carrying the ming vase instead of radiating confidence with their power.

[The Weeping Angel]

Unfortunately not, Dan here is parroting Glasman's Sun piece in the Mail. If I understand him we need a 1950s type national industrial arms economy to lead in Europe although the days of international co-operation are over so I'm not sure what he wishes to lead on. He'd do well to ask why these kind of nationalist dreams of Edwardian born post war politicians were abandoned in the 60s in favour the economy of scale that international projects bought (Concord for eg). And it's all Blair's fault Labour is disconnected from the working class, I'd take Labour's C2 vote under Sir Tone any day of the week.

Oh, for crying out loud!!!
Labour need to learn lessons from their election debacle. At least one MP has publicly admitted that the government are not delivering on the ground. If people feel things aren't changing, then Reform will win power at the next election and most of us will be screwed. That will be Starmer's legacy.

I thought you were going to vote Reform Trig?

[Tubby Isaacs]

I'd rather Labour took a hit now than come into power spending money like a drunk sailor on shore leave to cheer everyone up. Because we know where that leads. Have you actually read cheerful chappy Nige's spending pledges? It's Argentina level clown car economics. If you think Starmer should replicate it you need your head examining.
That said, the government's ability to communicate good news is severely lacking. And they look like unhappy rabbits in the headlight still carrying the ming vase instead of radiating confidence with their power.

The Budget actually tried to be reasonably long term in the amount it set aside for investment as opposed to day to day spending. Whether that will survive day to day political pressures, I remain to be convinced. There may be further the government can go on capital investment in near the future, that's certainly the logic of Reeves' rules, but borrowing rates are now high. It doesn't help the Government that a load of people seem to think we're still in Osborne territory of turning down cheap money because "neoliberalism".

[Tubby Isaacs]

I see Blue Labour want to scrap the fiscal rules, on the grounds they say that they depend on "faulty OBR forecasts" which lead to decisions being taken against "economic sense". Reeves didn't need to react to the March OBR forecast like she did, but scrapping fiscal rules is a bad idea. Funny how straight talking populists end up with Argentina economics, isn't it?

There's a whole page of stuff here.

https://www.bluelabour.org/home/what-is-to-be-done

Couple of good ideas, but mostly "be really socially conservative and chuck a load of money about which we don't say how to raise".

[Youngian]

They're also going to raise billions from not having useless managers and consultants. This Blue Labour 'manifesto' stuff are Glasman's fag packet lists that keep being regurgitated. Where's the house building labour going to come from with so many employed in newly opened arms factories in Bolton?
Glasman might have to hire some expert consultants to do the serious hard work that turns brain farts into practical propositions.

What's happened to John Mann's Brexit EV manufacturing plants? Or Caroline Flint's 'plan' to turn Doncaster into a steel making superpower.

[Tubby Isaacs]

The Government also ran on getting rid of consultants. I'm sure some of it is of dubious quality and overpriced, but they do exist for a reason. Government has lots of discrete projects, and there's not always the expertise you need in house. They also made a silly promise on Spads. A Spad doesn't have to be Nick Timothy or Steve Hilton, it can be Sam Freedman or Giles Wilkes, who both worked for the Coalition.

Talking of Timothy, I did respect his plan to pay for care from house prices, and it deserved better than to be written off as Dementia Tax and blow the election. But I wonder if he's telling his West Suffolk constituents this now?