By Youngian
#95988
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Wed Sep 10, 2025 7:42 pm Sounds like they are backing Powell. Why not back Alison McGovern or Thornberry? Somebody being sacked and brought back as Deputy Leader is going to look ridiculous.
Who cares? Its just a milk monitor role to indulge party members. Doesn't even have any constitutional duties like the US Veep. And that job apparently isn't worth a bucket of warm spit.
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By Malcolm Armsteen
#96026
Mandelson has been 'withdrawn' as ambassador on the PM's instructions. The change put down to the latest email revelations.

“The emails show that the depth and extent of Peter Mandelson’s relationship with Jeffrey Epstein is materially different from that known at the time of his appointment.

“In particular Peter Mandelson’s suggestion that Jeffrey Epstein’s first conviction was wrongful and should be challenged is new information.

“In light of that, and mindful of the victims of Epstein’s crimes he has been withdrawn as ambassador with immediate effect.”
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By Andy McDandy
#96033
In all honesty, and I'm prepared to be corrected, I have never got what's supposed to be so special about him. Seems to be just another who goes around telling people how brilliant he is.
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By mattomac
#96035
I didn't think he was a bad choice but I think he should have been swiftly removed once stuff came out and he was talking about "more stuff like this", he won't be the last one to fall foul of this mind.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#96036
I didn't like the appointment because he has always been a liability. He seems to have done reasonably well with Trump, but so what? That's what professional ambassadors do all the time. Put in a career pro, and they'll understand how to treat Trump just as well.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#96038
Emily Thornberry drops out of Labour deputy leadership race
Well, "Gaza and Wealth Tax" went well as a pitch then. She wasn't helped by two Campaign Group MPs running, but even so, she did dreadfully. Serves her right for silly playing to the gallery. She was a decent "bruiser" in her time.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#96039
davidjay wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 12:59 pm
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 11:51 am He’s 72 next month. I think we can safely assume this is his last political job, as the previous one should have been.
And the one before that.
Possibly, but he was actually pretty unlucky with the second resignation. All he did was ring up Mike O'Brien (the minister) about mention the Hinduja's passports. O'Brien couldn't even remember this "lobbying", and they didn't get the passports. I think by that stage Mandelson's profile was a major nuisance, and anyone else would have survived it.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#96045
What's going on here?

I thought the order of the day was keep it in the ground. Now it's get it out of ground, even if we have to subsidize it?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... s-projects
Green energy entrepreneur calls on UK to subsidise North Sea oil and gas firms
Dale Vince urges ministers to ‘optimise’ resources in fossil fuel basin to help smooth transition to renewables
By satnav
#96062
I've never been a fan of Mandelson but I do think that when appointed as ambassador he was probably one of the few people who had the ability to play Trump in away which would be beneficial to Britain.

I think Starmer should offer the ambassador's job to Nigel Farage. If Farage accepts the job Starmer could then rescind the offer after carrying out in depth vetting.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#96077
No growth in July. I can't remember so much being made of monthly figures before. The previous quarter had two poor months, then a very good one.
Daisy Cooper, the Liberal Democrats’ Treasury spokesperson, said: “The government talks of going full-throttle on growth but the reality is they have left the handbrake on.

“Their growth-crushing jobs tax risks hollowing out our high streets and ministers’ refusal to jettison their shortsighted red lines on cutting red tape with Europe is holding back our exporters.”
The latter point there is bollocks. The Lib Dems only see the Single Market as a long term aim- ie we shouldn't even be trying to negotiate entry now. What they think we should be doing is negotiating a bespoke Customs Union- is that even on offer? That would not be quick either. This has become their equivalent of the a Wealth Tax, something which funds everything they want and signals they're on "the right side', irrespective of the result of the policy.

Fair point about Employers' NI, but you can't have the spending if you won't raise taxes. They ruled raising the major taxes just like Labour did, so hard to see they wouldn't be in the same mess. Add in their "not those house there" and I think their party of growth thing maybe less than convincing.
By Youngian
#96078
Maybe Mandelson clinched the ambassador role as he had a USP to shake down Trump; "Didn't we meet at Jeffery's parties, Mr President? Don't worry, Don, I'm a discreet chap."
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By Malcolm Armsteen
#96082
He's not very discreet, either.
By Youngian
#96086
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Fri Sep 12, 2025 10:48 am No growth in July. I can't remember so much being made of monthly figures before. The previous quarter had two poor months, then a very good one.
Daisy Cooper, the Liberal Democrats’ Treasury spokesperson, said: “The government talks of going full-throttle on growth but the reality is they have left the handbrake on.

“Their growth-crushing jobs tax risks hollowing out our high streets and ministers’ refusal to jettison their shortsighted red lines on cutting red tape with Europe is holding back our exporters.”
The latter point there is bollocks. The Lib Dems only see the Single Market as a long term aim- ie we shouldn't even be trying to negotiate entry now. What they think we should be doing is negotiating a bespoke Customs Union- is that even on offer? That would not be quick either. This has become their equivalent of the a Wealth Tax, something which funds everything they want and signals they're on "the right side', irrespective of the result of the policy.

Fair point about Employers' NI, but you can't have the spending if you won't raise taxes. They ruled raising the major taxes just like Labour did, so hard to see they wouldn't be in the same mess. Add in their "not those house there" and I think their party of growth thing maybe less than convincing.
The LD intentions let markets know they have a long term economic strategy. Starmer's 'make Brexit work,' isn't an economic strategy.
The Eurozone is pretty sclerotic at the moment but the UK hasn't escaped the economic gravity of Europe, just graph lines that shadow the average economic performance at a lower level than the UK would if it was still a SM member. And that's mainly why we can't have more nice things.
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