[Samanfur]

If Fergie is still the Duchess of York will she remain so?

No, she loses that title but their children retain the title of Princess.

They lose that if he loses the title of Prince, as well. Which Virginia Giuffre's brother is pushing for.

[kreuzberger]

If Fergie is still the Duchess of York will she remain so?

No, she loses that title but their children retain the title of Princess.

They lose that if he loses the title of Prince, as well. Which Virginia Giuffre's brother is pushing for.

So, could Virginia Giuffre's brother get a His Dukiness and a jacket with all the sparkly medals? Is there a Go Fund Me?

[Watchman]

Apparently Nonce is still a Prince because he is the child of the monarch

[Samanfur]

The King could remove it if he wanted to. That's how Elizabeth II removed it from the Duke of Sussex.

[Abernathy]

And another thing. For fuck’s sake, would the BBC stop saying “we should say that Prince Andrew denies any wrongdoing”.

No,you shouldn’t. we know he denies it all, and we know he is fucking lying. Just report it, and fucking leave it, you sycophantic twats.

Libel laws. Also - as you in particular are very fond of pointing out - whatever happened to "presumed innocent until proven guilty"?

I don’t think it’s libellous not to mention that someone who has been the subject of allegations denies them, is it?
And as for being presumed innocent until proven guilty, well there’s no prospect of him being proven to be guilty, because he paid Virginia Giuffre 12 million quid of his mammy’s dosh to go away.

[Abernathy]

Strikes me that King Chaz, Queen Camilla, Prince Willie, and virtually the entirety of the rest of the royal family (bar the ridiculous “Fergie” and her two dimwit daughters) must surely by now be convinced that, for all his endlessly repeated catch-all denials of “any wrongdoing”, Andrew is as guilty as hell of the accusations of sexual abuse levelled against him by the late Virginia Giuffre. Their cogitations about what the fuck to do about it must occupy a fair bit of their time.

I suppose that King Chaz can’t just come out and publicly announce that yes, his brother is a disgusting paedo and that he is therefore immediately banished by monarchical decree to a garden shed on Rockall(but he could in the good ‘ol days, eh ?), but the more he and Prince Willie obfuscate, prevaricate, and dissemble, the more it seems that yes, the bugger is guilty for sure - you don't pay your accuser 12 million quid to go away if you're innocent. If Chaz and Willie were really convinced of Andrew’s innocence , wouldn’t they come out publicly fighting his corner and rebutting the allegations ?

To my knowledge, they’ve done nothing of the kind. Ever.

[satnav]

I think that it is interesting that he was trying to squirrel away some of his cash back in 2003 by paying rent in advance for the royal lodge. This would suggest that even back then he knew that one day somebody would be chasing after him for damages.

[Watchman]

I’m surprised that the Express hasn’t come up with the headline - “Biggest Royal Crisis Since The Abdication”.

[Oboogie]

Surely the obvious place to banish Prince Nonce to is the US where Trump will welcome him. It'll be like the good old days, the two of them can have a fine time hosting "special" parties in the #EpsteinBallroom with their old friend, the soon to be pardoned, Ghislaine Maxwell.

[AOB]

[Abernathy]

[Spoonman]

Now the royal formerly known as Prince.

[kreuzberger]

It is somewhat satisfying to see this sorry, sordid saga finally being brought to a conclusion. Of sorts, and at least, that is, until Trump and his malignant minions are also toppled and the Epstein Files are acted upon. (Breath should not be held.)

Per the Vinery, his single priority is his own sorry arse;

His ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson, will also move out of Royal Lodge and will sort out her own living arrangements.

Ouch!

Hell hath no fury, and all that, plus she's ginger. They are cutting it fine for Christmas, but is a book deal in the offing?

[Bones McCoy]

I'll bet all the royal experts, followers and commentators who told us:
* They can't strip his princeyness.
* They can't evict him from "the lodge".
* They'll need an act of parliament to change his titles.

I'll bet they feel like proper tits this evening.

[Boiler]

To be known simply as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor from now on, it would seem.

[Abernathy]

The fascinating aspect of it is that King Chaz might just as well have announced publicly “Yes, my brother is indeed a disgusting pervert who was complicit in the trafficking of young women for the purpose of sexual abuse.”

Andrew’s much repeated denials of “any wrongdoing” were never that credible in the first place, but Chazza’s actions, self-serving of the whole institution of the monarchy as they undoubtedly are, puts the tin lid right on Andrew’s manifest guilt.

[Bones McCoy]

Th fascinating aspect of it is that King Chaz might just as well have announced publicly “Yes, my brother is indeed a disgusting pervert who was complicit in the trafficking of young women for the purpose of sexual abuse.”

Andrew’s much repeated denials of “any wrongdoing” were never that credible in the first place, but Chazza’s actions, self-serving of the whole institution of the monarchy as they undoubtedly are, puts the tin lid right on Andrew’s manifest guilt.

Chaz III has effectively shat on Randy's claims with the careful wording of that statement.
Isn't there a "Despite his continuing claims of innocence" and "Our throughts are with the victims of abuse".

It clearly positions Randy "on the outside", and they don't want him "pissing in"

[Abernathy]

Could not agree more with this.

[davidjay]

I'm seeing a worrying amount of "She was seventeen - what's the problem?"

[kreuzberger]

I'm seeing a worrying amount of "She was seventeen - what's the problem?"

There's the malignant patriarchy in all its glory; feverishly grasping for loopholes to convince themselves that shagging coerced teenagers who have been trafficked since childhood is somehow OK.

These people are utterly rancid, and their hard drives should be examined, post-haste.