[Killer Whale]

He's used to bullying opponents into giving up and paying up, despite them rather than him being in the right, but I think he's gone a step too far here. The BBC are probably only too aware that even when he loses he never pays any costs awarded. Nevertheless, they'll have done their sums.

[Youngian]

Media corporations settle out of court with Trump as he can heap all sorts of trouble on them not because they'll lose in court. He shakes them down for cash as he's a greedy crooked rat.
BBC isn't a US organisation but from what I read BBC America has gathered high trust levels. They have everything to gain by calling Trump in court over his pathetic nuiscance claim while he has everything to lose.

[Tubby Isaacs]

He doesn't see any distinction between the government and anybody from that country. He can cause a heap of trouble for Britain here, like he did with Canada over an advert by the Ontario Government (led by the Canadian opposition).

[Tubby Isaacs]

Edit- this David Allen Green's letter. Until I saw the reference to Beetlejuice I thought it might be real as I scanned it.

Dear Sirs

We refer to your letter.

As a preliminary point, it is accepted that the edited video in the Panorama programme was an error which should not have been made by the production company or approved by us for broadcast. We apologise for that error both to our viewers generally and to your client in particular. It was a failure of commissioning, journalistic and editorial standards. The programme has been removed from our iPlayer online platform and it will not be broadcast again with the error.

But failures of commissioning, journalistic and editorial standards do not by themselves give rise to a legal claim. We have looked carefully at your client’s claim as set out in your letter, and for the reasons below that claim is denied.

Your letter provides no evidence that your client was aware of the programme when it was broadcast or for at least a year afterwards. If your client maintains this claim please disclose evidence for our pre-action inspection that your client was aware of the broadcast before the press coverage of the last two weeks. Please also inform us when you were first instructed in respect of this complaint. In your letter you are anxious that we retain relevant documents, and so we presume you also have relevant documents about your client’s awareness of the programme. If you do have such evidence, please confirm that is the case.

The programme was not broadcast in the United States generally or Florida in particular. Our programmes on iPlayer are not available in the United States. Please provide any evidence for our pre-action inspection that the programme was watched by any person in your jurisdiction. Again, given the document retention requirements you set out in your letter, you presumably have retained such documents. And again, if you do have such evidence, please confirm this is the case.

You state in your letter three times that your client has suffered “overwhelming financial and reputational harm”. This is presumably on the Beetlejuice principle that it you say something three times it somehow appears. But your letter contains no evidence of either financial or reputational harm, let alone both. And your letter certainly fails to provide evidence of any harm being “overwhelming”. Given that your client was actually re-elected to the presidency within days of this programme being shown (in the United Kingdom but not the United States) there is no obvious harm that was suffered by your client.

If you do have any evidence of the alleged harm, either “overwhelming” or at all , and if your client continues with this claim, please provide that for our pre-action inspection. Please also provide evidence that the programme was “widely disseminated throughout various digital mediums, which have reached tens of millions of people worldwide”.

Talking of “tens of millions” you provided no basis whatsoever for the figure of one billion dollars. Please confirm whether this is a billion in an English or an American sense. As the figure seems arbitrary, please provide your workings out of the quantum. As it stands, the figure has no more meaning than a demand for one trillion dollars, or for one dollar.

Both your client and the BBC believe in the value of freedom of expression. Your client benefits from the constitutional and other legal protections for free speech in the United States. The BBC also should have the benefit of the same protections. We made a mistake for which we have apologised and undertaken not to broadcast again. But this should not be a matter for the courts.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Yours faithfully

[Oboogie]

Simon Marks explains why Trump would lose if he sued the BBC. I'll add a point which I think Simon omitted, the broadcast could not have influenced last year's election (as has been claimed) as the US electorate were unable to watch it. There is no evidence that Panorama did any damage to Trump at all.

[Boiler]

Ultimately, it's Trump's inner New York mobster behaviour, isn't it?

"Nice little PSB you've got there. Be a shame if something happened to it."

[Oboogie]

Caught the end of The Media Show on Radio 4 this afternoon.
On it, Tina Brown, the former editor of Vanity Fair and The New Yorker was explaining that BBC America is looking to significantly expand their operations as they have identified a market demand for an impartial news broadcaster now that Trump has effectively muzzled all US broadcasters.
This may explain the timing of Trump's move against the BBC, the last thing he needs is an off-message news source, with a high level of public trust, scrutinising his activities.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002m0cd

[davidjay]

Caught the end of The Media Show on Radio 4 this afternoon.
On it, Tina Brown, the former editor of Vanity Fair and The New Yorker was explaining that BBC America is looking to significantly expand their operations as they have identified a market demand for an impartial news broadcaster now that Trump has effectively muzzled all US broadcasters.
This may explain the timing of Trump's move against the BBC, the last thing he needs is an off-message news source, with a high level of public trust, scrutinising his activities.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002m0cd

Now there's a surprise. Well played her.

[AOB]

Fury at 'insulting' BBC Kelvin MacKenzie interview

I'm a little confused as to why there was never anger and incredulity when he was a guest on Would I Lie To You and Celebrity Pointless. That gave off "It doesn't matter, it's all in the past, he's just a panto baddie, get over it and let's have a laugh with Kelvin" vibes. That was a form of acceptance and therefore was more of an insult, in my view.

[Boiler]

"Page could not be found"?

Was it this though?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly49dndnn0o

Edit: posts crossed.

[Killer Whale]

"Page could not be found"?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly49dndnn0o.amp

[Boiler]

BBC apologises to Trump over Panorama edit but refuses to pay compensation

Lawyers for the BBC have written to President Trump's legal team in response to a letter received on Sunday, a BBC spokesperson said.

"BBC chair Samir Shah has separately sent a personal letter to the White House making clear to President Trump that he and the corporation are sorry for the edit of the president's speech on 6 January 2021, which featured in the programme," they said.

They added: "While the BBC sincerely regrets the manner in which the video clip was edited, we strongly disagree there is a basis for a defamation claim."

[Youngian]

BBC didn't give enough airtime for UKIP MPs. This is why you can't compromise with these people, they take it as weakness and crap on you, anyway.

[Boiler]

Carswell. A man so right wing the left hand side of his face doesn't work.

[Youngian]

My BBC day yesterday; woke up to learn about farmers growing fungi for house insulation and a farmer running an apples for cider consumer barter scheme.
Listened to a consumer rights programme on nonsense claims by nail varnish manufacturers, a report on horrendous phone scams, a science comedy programme on mind reading computers and an analysis into UK productivity problems. That's just one radio station, also downloaded the nightly UK jazz programe from R3 and an excellent country music programme on Radio Scotland.
In the evening, an episode of the stunning new wildlife series Kingdom and a BBC movie with Toby Jones playing the mentor to the young Richard Burton.
And that's a very small selection of their output. What sort of fucking moron wants to sabotage all this?

[Killer Whale]

Worth it for Radio Cymru alone. No commercial station has ever been able to 'do' the Welsh language without eventually watering it down to tokenism.

[Tubby Isaacs]

BBC didn't give enough airtime for UKIP MPs. This is why you can't compromise with these people, they take it as weakness and crap on you, anyway.

What's "leftist" analysis of bank bail outs? Assume Carswell opposed them (as the obscure backbench MP for Harwich, as he was then, why should the BBC have bothered with him over anyone else?). Noted leftist, George W Bush, bailed out banks, I recall.

And leftist coverage of climate change? Theresa May, Rishi Sunak and Boris Johnson are leftists now, are they?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Not sure Robbie Gibb will feel much pressure here. Nor would he take orders from Lisa Nandy, and in fairness, the position has been set up so she can't give him any.

Barring Tim Davie going much further than he has, Gibb is sticking around.

[Boiler]

My experience of BECTU is that they are a waste of space.