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How long before we stoop to this level...?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... lor-greene

Despite the fact that the Georgia Republican has set the bar for herself somewhere below a dungeon in hell, Greene still managed to hit a new low this week. On Wednesday she turned up at the House oversight committee with a large poster board sporting a montage of photos showing a nude Hunter Biden engaged in sex acts. Where on earth did she get these? Assuming the photos are authentic and not doctored, probably from the laptop Hunter Biden famously left in a repair shop back in 2019.

Boiler wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 2:26 pm How long before we stoop to this level...?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... lor-greene

Despite the fact that the Georgia Republican has set the bar for herself somewhere below a dungeon in hell, Greene still managed to hit a new low this week. On Wednesday she turned up at the House oversight committee with a large poster board sporting a montage of photos showing a nude Hunter Biden engaged in sex acts. Where on earth did she get these? Assuming the photos are authentic and not doctored, probably from the laptop Hunter Biden famously left in a repair shop back in 2019.

Maybe from "Martin Branning".

That which does not kill him only makes him stronger (with apologies to Nietzsche)

Beware, people.

From the BBC coverage:

In a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, Ohio congressman Jim Jordan said: “When you drain The Swamp, The Swamp fights back. President Trump did nothing wrong!”

Matt Gaetz, a Representative from Florida, said: "DEFUND JACK SMITH'S WITCH HUNT AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP!”

Florida governor Ron DeSantis, currently Trump's biggest rival for the nomination in 2024, didn't come to Trump's defence directly but derided the US government's alleged "weaponization" of the federal branch.

"Washington, DC is a 'swamp' and it is unfair to have to stand trial before a jury that is reflective of the swamp mentality," DeSantis said.

I don't think being indicted on charges of trying to overthrow the government is going to help Trump.

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:55 am I don't think being indicted on charges of trying to overthrow the government is going to help Trump.

I disagree. I think it increases the possibility of Trump returning to the White House.

Absolutely it does. It just reinforces the view prevalent in the Repugs mindset that "they" are trying to stitch him up in order to stop him getting his rightful - hell, Divinely decreed - role as President that was stolen from him in 2020.

There's some weird reverse morality shit going on in that country. Must be the opioids they seem to eat like sweeties.

Listen to this man, kids. Never heard of the Pritzkers but are an established philanthropic moneybags family with heart and soul.

Reading the full indictment of Donald Trump (an astonishing document, available here :https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/ ... -aug-1.pdf,
what becomes clear is that had Mike Pence done what Trump wanted him to do, the coup might very well have succeeded. The only thing that might have stopped it at that point would have been the US military intervening-which would itself have been a tragedy.

A good example of how this isn't good for him.

https://www.vox.com/politics/23815635/d ... 4-election

In the first half of this year, Trump’s joint fundraising committee — an entity that allows multiple candidates or organizations to raise money collectively — has burned through over $52 million, or nearly all of the $53.9 million it raised in the same timeframe, according to recent FEC filings. Additionally, Trump’s Save America leadership PAC — an organization that receives some funds from the joint fundraising committee, and that has fewer limits on how money can be spent — began 2022 with about $105 million cash on hand, and now only has roughly $3.6 million.

A major source of the groups’ expenses is legal fees for Trump and his former aides as they face multiple investigations. In addition to fielding numerous civil lawsuits, Trump has been indicted twice and could be indicted at least two more times. A July filing from Trump’s Save America PAC revealed that it had spent roughly $21 million on legal fees in the last six months, or over 70 percent of its expenditures, per CNN.

These costs, and his myriad legal problems, have yet to hurt Trump’s standing in the Republican primary; in fact, his polling may be improving. A recent New York Times/Siena poll has Trump continuing to dominate the Republican field, with 54 percent of likely GOP voters choosing him as their top choice and just 17 percent saying the same of his closest rival, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. The lawsuits may hurt Trump among swing voters, however, and surveys have been much tighter for the general election: Another recent NYT/Siena poll shows Biden and Trump both receiving 43 percent of voters’ support, for example.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:25 pm Reading the full indictment of Donald Trump (an astonishing document, available here :https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/ ... -aug-1.pdf,
what becomes clear is that had Mike Pence done what Trump wanted him to do, the coup might very well have succeeded. The only thing that might have stopped it at that point would have been the US military intervening-which would itself have been a tragedy.

Just finished reading.

That is jail time, if proven. And the evidence seems clear and strong. No wonder he's panicking.

The indictments will take time to come to court and in the meantime Trump could be elected POTUS and pardon himself. What a circus his campaign will be, help me beat the wrap from the Washington criminals who take your money in tax. Americans like a cowboy with the back against the wall shooting his way out of trouble.

Can a candidate be put on trial during an election process?
Even if it's legal, I wonder how politically acceptable to the court of public opinion it would be?

All I know is this isn’t a scenario the Founding Fathers planned for.

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:50 pm

Abernathy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:25 pm Reading the full indictment of Donald Trump (an astonishing document, available here :https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/ ... -aug-1.pdf,
what becomes clear is that had Mike Pence done what Trump wanted him to do, the coup might very well have succeeded. The only thing that might have stopped it at that point would have been the US military intervening-which would itself have been a tragedy.

Just finished reading.

That is jail time, if proven. And the evidence seems clear and strong. No wonder he's panicking.

Never forget.
He may be bang to rights on hundreds of charges.
But he's a white (well, a bit orange) multi millionaire.
Those rules weren't intended to apply to the likes of him.

I’m watching it unfold in sheer horror. Trump’s response to the indictment was instantly to go full Godwin.
There is literally nothing he won’t do, say, or lie about to advance or protect his own interests.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 11:00 pm I’m watching it unfold in sheer horror. Trump’s response to the indictment was instantly to go full Godwin.
There is literally nothing he won’t do, say, or lie about to advance or protect his own interests.

And yet even over here, he has his slavish devotees...

Abernathy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:25 pm Reading the full indictment of Donald Trump (an astonishing document, available here :https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/ ... -aug-1.pdf,
what becomes clear is that had Mike Pence done what Trump wanted him to do, the coup might very well have succeeded. The only thing that might have stopped it at that point would have been the US military intervening-which would itself have been a tragedy.

America's much vaunted checks and balances are about as brittle as our own "Let's hope we elected a decent chap".

Don't forget that the Tories aimed (and still aim) to politicise our civil service and judiciary in the way that America's are.
A vote for the tories is a vote to import all the worst aspects of americana.

Boiler wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 11:16 pm

Abernathy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 11:00 pm I’m watching it unfold in sheer horror. Trump’s response to the indictment was instantly to go full Godwin.
There is literally nothing he won’t do, say, or lie about to advance or protect his own interests.

And yet even over here, he has his slavish devotees...

Johnson’s MO was exactly the same when he went on the attack against the select committee. And Sunak’s shaping up to be his protege.

Where have I heard "Witchhunt" before?