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Here's the Donkey Breed Society stuff.

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... pointments

Keir's dad was 63 when it started, and 66. That sounds to me like Mum and Dad like donkeys and fancy a retirement hobby. Their son (by then a successful lawyer) says "Why don't you set it up as a company?"

Those “Four Yorkshire Men” have a lot to answer for

Toolmakers hate donkeys

And his dad went on to become the director of the ‘Donkey Breed Society’, perhaps not your typical humble toolmaker’s retirement activity

Setting up a charity is an organisational structure with many legal responsibilities. While accepting donations via Rodney’s private account looks well dodgy. Limited company is the most professional option.

Watchman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:09 pm Those “Four Yorkshire Men” have a lot to answer for

God's county, or God's cunt storage facility.
Feel free to discuss.

I've found one of the sources for the "Dad owned the factory". Lord Ashcroft. Actually it says "Dad ran his own business". For someone talking up their research, there's an odd lack of dates here.

https://www.lordashcroft.com/2021/06/ki ... -nickname/

For reasons best known to himself, Keir Starmer did not use any of these opportunities to explain that his father, in fact, ran his own business, the Oxted Tool Company.

As a Companies House representative has said that no records of the Oxted Tool Company exist in its files, it is difficult to assess how successful Rodney Starmer’s business became and indicates that he may have remained a sole trader – as opposed to running a limited company – throughout his working life.

Ah, I got the Donkey Breed Society wrong. It's a longstanding charity (since 1967). Keir wouldn't have had to do anything.

Presumably Mr Sqwawk's Dad would have thought that was "siding with management" or something (if indeed he ever did say or think what's claimed here).

It looks like a nice charity, but I doubt they have the great and the good lining up to be directors. Presumably "you've volunteered for a while, want to be a director?" was about the limit of it. Clearly beyond somebody that made tools.

Bones McCoy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:24 pm

Watchman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:09 pm Those “Four Yorkshire Men” have a lot to answer for

God's county, or God's cunt storage facility.
Feel free to discuss.

I was thinking more along the lines of;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_York ... prov=sfti1

So Rodders was an aspirational toolmaker who may have had entrepreneurial ambitions. Is this a problem?

Keir Starmer is a couple of years older than me. I grew up with a dad who was a toolmaker and who would never have even accepted promotion to foreman because it would have meant siding with management.

Oh, that old canard.

Which means the twunt who wrote that is a couple of years older than me. I grew up with a dad who was a toolmaker too, at Borg Warner in Letchworth. Foreman of the toolroom, no less. If being foreman meant siding with the management he wouldn't have been foreman very long, what with being an ardent and active Union man. And I wouldn't be here now because there's no way my communist granddad would have let his daughter marry a man with the stink of management hanging around him.

We had indoor plumbing, so I know the smell of s*it when I come across it, too.

Bones McCoy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:24 pm

Watchman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:09 pm Those “Four Yorkshire Men” have a lot to answer for

God's county, or God's cunt storage facility.
Feel free to discuss.

I'll take 'neither' for ten.

Not everyone in Yorkshire is a Geoffrey Boycott clone.

Keir Starmer is a couple of years older than me. I grew up with a dad who was a toolmaker and who would never have even accepted promotion to foreman because it would have meant siding with management. My mother was a stay-at-home mam and we grew up with no central heating, with an outside toilet that used to be kept from freezing in winter by a small meths burner lit in the corner under the cistern pipe – and we didn’t have a phone, nor did any of my friends’ families. My parents only got one years after I left home.

Translation: we had it shit when I was a kid, and my dad was either too much of a moaning twat to progress or so tediously up himself he’d rather self-sabotage and have us continue to scrape by than give us a chance of a better life. Because a proper socialist never takes the opportunity to improve things from a position of power, as to do that you have to give up your cushy life of complaining and actually *try* and make things better - and then if you don’t do a decent job you might even have people complain about you, which would be intolerable for anyone incapable of entertaining the idea they might in some way be wrong.

This heady combination of a questionable narrative of being hard done by coupled with boneheaded stubbornness has left me with not so much a chip on my shoulder as an entire tree trunk. And you’d better believe I despise anyone like Starmer who’s made a fucking effort to make things better rather than just doing what they should have - moan about things being shit, and attend protests to listen to others moan. Not like Jeremy Corbyn - now there’s a man who gets it. Or rather, a man who complains people won’t get it for him while he does nothing. That’s proper socialism.

Do you believe that about his father? Did he ever say that? "He would have...".

People queuing up to see the Queen's coffin are sad cases, says Clive Lewis.

In an article for the Guardian, which is likely to infuriate Starmer’s office, Lewis said his initial response to the idea of people queueing for many hours to file past the Queen’s coffin was “one of bemusement followed by a touch of despair”.

Seeking to extrapolate lessons from the phenomenon for those, like him, who seek a transition to a republic, Lewis argued that media interviews with the mourners often showed a key motivation was the “need to feel part of something more than themselves”.

You don't have to be "silenced". Just avoid pointless insults to large numbers of people, including lots of Labour voters, eh?

The “fundamental truth” about the monarchy, he argued, was its role as a national distraction. “It is a spectacle exalted for exemplifying virtues that should be typical in public life and public behaviour. Casting such behaviour as exceptional allows the likes of Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and the economic elites they represent to break and exploit the rules for their own benefit and that of their very narrow class interest – of which the monarchy is an integral part.”

And some word salad. Literally nobody thinks "Well, let's let Boris Johnson off because the monarchy has more than enough integrity for us all".

Its very good time to remind fans of the Queen how venal and shite the Tories are compared to Her Maj’s record of public service. So best not to be rude to these people and lose the room before you start. Won’t do him much harm in not very royalist Norwich.

Yeah, I think the talking up of the royal family is a bit silly, but there's a political logic to it from Labour's point of view. The Queen mourned Philip alone, Tories in Downing Street were getting shitfaced.

Is this the Clive Lewis who was being spoken of as a future leader of the party?


Was.

And again.... They never, ever comprehend that whatever they say gets repeated as that's what Labour are really like.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:39 pm People queuing up to see the Queen's coffin are sad cases, says Clive Lewis.

In an article for the Guardian, which is likely to infuriate Starmer’s office, Lewis said his initial response to the idea of people queueing for many hours to file past the Queen’s coffin was “one of bemusement followed by a touch of despair”.

Seeking to extrapolate lessons from the phenomenon for those, like him, who seek a transition to a republic, Lewis argued that media interviews with the mourners often showed a key motivation was the “need to feel part of something more than themselves”.

You don't have to be "silenced". Just avoid pointless insults to large numbers of people, including lots of Labour voters, eh?

The “fundamental truth” about the monarchy, he argued, was its role as a national distraction. “It is a spectacle exalted for exemplifying virtues that should be typical in public life and public behaviour. Casting such behaviour as exceptional allows the likes of Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and the economic elites they represent to break and exploit the rules for their own benefit and that of their very narrow class interest – of which the monarchy is an integral part.”

And some word salad. Literally nobody thinks "Well, let's let Boris Johnson off because the monarchy has more than enough integrity for us all".

I think this says a lot about a problem Republicans have they really can't help but show contempt for anyone for those who actuslly like the Royal Family.