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Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:40 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Is this a case where a politician or two oversells something that isn't that much of a change after all?

If so, what's the point? Who is this audience of floating voters thinking "I'm worried the NHS doesn't get reformed enough in the future"?

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:12 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
I must say that with my arthritis I had an initial GP referral and thereafter it was direct to the physiotherapist whenever I had a flare. Same as the French system.

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 12:23 am
by mattomac
Maybe the 101 service should expand (it could revert back to how it was when it was launched as I felt for me who had the odd issue it was far easier to use and far better use of time for all).

Antidepressants is probably a perfect example of where you could cutdown workload, yes they need to check but surely a repeat prescription can be dealt with by staff in the Surgery and not always through a GP which seems to be the case at this moment (though I welcomed online appointments for this type of appointment).

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:59 pm
by mattomac
I think Starmer on the balance of probabilities is right on this call to the far left, they can moan all they want about this latest injection but Abbott has posted at least two lies to whip up that part of the party (if even that part of the party is in the party) and then Liam Byrne connecting the riots to the “purging of the far left” was just baffling and another slur.

It also comes on the day the party finally comes out of special measures put on it by the ECHR, if you think the party is electable and can go back to that then maybe it’s best you do find another party to vote for.

The far left of the political spectrum has always been on the fringes of the party and there are some great MPs from that arena but you can’t hold the dubious honour with the BNP of being put under special measures by the ECHR and argue that some collective responsibility for what happened should be shared.

The problem from some of them is they are never wrong and never will be wrong even when it’s painfully obvious they are.

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:37 pm
by The Weeping Angel

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:26 pm
by Bones McCoy
Nothing batshit to see here.
The Weeping Angel wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:37 pm

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:56 pm
by Yug
At last! It's about bloody time these morons started doing something to help the Labour Party. Going on the internet and telling the world Keir hates "pwoper soshulists" like them can't be doing any harm to Labour's prospects for the next GE.

Keep up the good work.

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:04 pm
by davidjay
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Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:12 pm
by Bones McCoy
An alternate view.

Starmer has turned the large ship that is the labour party, setting a new direction.

It's almost like an audition for the PM job, because our nation also needs a huge change of direction.

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:55 pm
by mattomac
I see the “he has dumped all the policies” rubbish again.

He actually dumped no policy as of yet though some really need dumping. I saw them attacking him on climate and green energy but it will form one of his 5 key areas and was almost missing from the 2017 manifesto.

I was glad to hear it will be in the 5 pledges mind, no doubt there will be some nonsense but no party who doesn’t take climate seriously will be remembered as anything but good one day in the future.

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:37 am
by Youngian
Thatcher and Heath saw their ratings climb in opposition but it’s unusual to be a slow burn. Nor can a LOTO rely on juxtaposition with a terrible PM to earn points. As Corbyn can tell you.

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:15 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Great advice for Sir Keir here from egghead, Matthew Syed. He doesn't go far enough. "Political will" could force the immediate withdrawal of Russia from Ukraine, and abolish NHS waiting lists by next week.


Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:36 pm
by Youngian
Syed is quite the windbag. Pity he didn’t develop this theory, which is so old he probably heard it from James Stewart in a Frank Capra movie. Or Nigel Farage (red tape a corporate conspiracy to do down the little man).
Giant corporations work hand in glove with compliant ministers to erect barriers to entry that protect them from competition — thus thwarting innovation and growth.

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:52 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Yeah, it’s Farage “EU corporatism” repurposed for Brexit Britain.

Corporations are quite good at their business in general. As I was reminded by Mastodon failing to displace Twitter.

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:21 pm
by MisterMuncher
When socialism fails due to greed, it's because it's a flawed system.

When capitalism does, it's because of flawed participants.

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:57 pm
by mattomac
Youngian wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:37 am Thatcher and Heath saw their ratings climb in opposition but it’s unusual to be a slow burn. Nor can a LOTO rely on juxtaposition with a terrible PM to earn points. As Corbyn can tell you.
There really is only one trajectory in those figures and it mirrors across every pollster since about November 2021.

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:12 am
by Abernathy
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/k ... 12f69cfafc


Eh? Car Crash interview? What? Not what I heard. Despite Amol Rajan'rs interview script apparently having been compiled by Owen Jones, Keir Starmer answered everything clearly, concisely, and unambiguously. Superb performance.

What drugs are the Daily Express taking?

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:21 am
by davidjay
Abernathy wrote: Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:12 am https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/k ... 12f69cfafc


Eh? Car Crash interview? What? Not what I heard. Despite Amol Rajan'rs interview script apparently having been compiled by Owen Jones, Keir Starmer answered everything clearly, concisely, and unambiguously. Superb performance.

What drugs are the Daily Express taking?
The Express website, both in language and in design, is less a serious news medium and more a blogger's conspiracy theory outlet.

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:29 am
by Andy McDandy
Very often, it seems that the headline is decided by the sub-editor (which is perfectly normal practice), but they forget the bit about editing out the facts and quotes the reporter has faithfully recorded and which show the subject in a better light.

Re: Keir Starmer

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:35 am
by Spoonman
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:52 pm Yeah, it’s Farage “EU corporatism” repurposed for Brexit Britain.

Corporations are quite good at their business in general. As I was reminded by Mastodon failing to displace Twitter.
TBH I'm finding Mastodon to be a better place than Twitter these days, especially with the latter rolling back on things like 3rd-party API access alongside the general c**tery of its new owner. If it gets worse still, I'll likely leave it for good. The problem Mastodon had was that because of its decentralised nature, it couldn't unilaterally scale up resources for the surge in interest it had a few months back and given its nature will always be vulnerable to such. Given the short history of internet & social media however, it largely shows that the main platforms of the day don't usually get its legs cut off overnight but rather get squeezed over time. Time will tell.