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Sunak's attempt at blaming foreign courts for the rejection of the Rwanda policy on Twitter has resulted in Twitter placing a note under the Tweet pointing out that it was the UK Supreme court that had ruled on the case rather than a foreign court.

Rishi's recent love-in with Elon Musk clearly didn't pay off.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ter-rwanda

Good summary of yesterday's business.

The Rwanda plan was a non-starter. Rwanda having a track record of killing refugees had made the court think there was something iffy about the UK deporting its refugees to Rwanda. Funny, that.

Esther McVey, Andrea Jenkyns and Desperate Danny Kruger, were coming up with ever more idiotic suggestions. Burn the statute books! Send the planes to Kigali regardless! Not a connecting synapse to be found anywhere.

All that was required to get the plan up and running was for Rwanda to overhaul its courts and judiciary and to hold free and fair elections. And to stop shooting refugees. And possibly to stop sending death squads into the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Apart from that, everything was good to go.

The reality is that Lord Big Dave’s legacy is largely fantasy. The belief is that he must somehow be an improvement on the current bunch of halfwits. Despite the evidence.

A special treaty in which Rwanda would agree to stop giving the appearance of being a dictatorship with the unfortunate reputation for killing people who disagreed with it. Then he would pass emergency legislation – Boris Johnson had come up with a similar plan, so the rightwingers would love it – in which Lee Anderson and Jonathan Gullis would agree that Rwanda was a top, top place. Though you wouldn’t catch any MPs going there. What could go wrong?

After all this, he – the Diminutive Rish! – would just ignore any foreign courts. And the planes would take off in the spring. Except they won’t. As if the courts will back off because Sunak has said so. It was the work of an entitled child. A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Almost writes itself this stuff... he's going bring in emergency legislation that confirms Rwanda is a safe country.

This is pretty much an "I reject your reality and substitute my own" situation, but when Adam Savage said this on Mythbusters, it was meant as a joke. i.e. it is not working in the way I want, so it's reality that got it wrong. But as a joke.
Rishi and Co seem to think this will actually work

They say the Remainer Woke Elite are preventing them from doing what they want. If that's the case, why has no-one pointed out that if you unilaterally break one treaty, a lot of other countries might do the same to you?

davidjay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:29 pm They say the Remainer Woke Elite are preventing them from doing what they want. If that's the case, why has no-one pointed out that if you unilaterally break one treaty, a lot of other countries might do the same to you?

"Don't presume to lecture us on the job of government! We have forgotten more about statecraft than you will ever know! Natural party of government! Britannia waives the rules! So what if some jumped up coon in bongo bongo land objects! They'd still be trying to start fires if it wasn't for us!"

I wonder how long the McVey stuff will last before blowing up. "Ranging across departments" is a tough gig, even with power and clout. She is number 3 in the Cabinet Office, and the departmental ministers will mostly think she's a joke. The second she stomps over their patch, they'll be on to Sunak. Gillian Keegan is a good bet to fall out with her first because the McVeys always have particularly strong views about Education.

For the first time, I think it's possible that they do actually get rid of Sunak to keep the score down. And this is before the energy bills really kick in- which will be higher than last year when you take into account there's far less financial support.

Sunak said :

I will not allow a foreign court, like the European Court of Human Rights, to block these flights.

And there’s the key, right there. Sunak has decided to take the maxim of turning a setback into an opportunity and run like buggery with it, though I’d suggest he’s taken it too far. Bloody foreigners.

Remember when Starmer was having to dodge flak from almost every corner for not pledging unequivocally to reverse Brexit? We had to explain, at times until we were blue in the face, that this was not sensible, largely because the Tories would like nothing better than to be able to re-run the toxic “arguments” of the EU referendum all over again in the general election. Remember “the will of the people”? “Take Back Control”? “Control our borders”? Xenophobia run rampant. And it worked. They were able to enrage and dupe enough gullible twats into voting Leave to get Brexit over the line. In a truly desperate corner, with fuck-all positive in their 13 year record of government to campaign on, Reaching for the xenophobic jingoist card begins to look an attractive option for Sunak and his team of strategists.

That’s a hideous thought, I know. The thought of re-living all that vicious, horrible shite makes my skin crawl. But there it is. Hatred of damned foreigners mobilised in the interests of keeping a corrupt, vicious government in power.

I couldn’t tell you how many times I had to try to explain to fuckwit voters on the doorstep that the European Court of Human Rights was nothing to do with the EU, and was in fact established by British legislators after WWII led by Churchill. It did no good, and now here we bloody well are again.

Christ, it’s all so depressing. How I wish we could fast-forward to the end of all this shite.

Very useful chart here on Sunak's impending masterstroke.

It's worth pointing out that when George Osborne pulled this stroke before services were in a much better state and it was funded by a progressive tax rise.

Even in the South East, there are a lot of constituencies where it's not a huge factor.

Perhaps it’s time to steal the march on immigration instead being back footed. There is no government policy on tackling the easiest route to becoming an illegal immigrant; absconding on a tourist visa. What are they doing about it?

As I learnt on another board when Charles Clarke resigned, there's a constituency on the left who think kicking anybody out is wrong, even serious criminals. It doesn't seem a particularly headbanging position that people shouldn't stay somewhere on the wrong visa, but you'd have all these people on your back telling you that it was a "dogwhistle" or "outTorying the Tories"

Are they signing one letter, or all sending their own?

It does sound like they're close to getting it though. Yeah, it's going to get stuck in the Lords. If you didn't want that, you should have campaigned for an elected Lords and won an election.

mattomac wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:30 pm Almost writes itself this stuff... he's going bring in emergency legislation that confirms Rwanda is a safe country.

He committed the obvious schoolboy error of omitting the word FACT! after claiming that Rwanda is safe.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:01 pm I wonder how long the McVey stuff will last before blowing up. "Ranging across departments" is a tough gig, even with power and clout. She is number 3 in the Cabinet Office, and the departmental ministers will mostly think she's a joke. The second she stomps over their patch, they'll be on to Sunak. Gillian Keegan is a good bet to fall out with her first because the McVeys always have particularly strong views about Education.

We've seen this before.
1. Appoint raging fuckwit.
2. Have them denounce something woke (within the civil service) to a receptive press conference.
3. Heads roll, as per fuckwit's instructions.
4. Tabloids fap themselves into a frenzy.

But then.

5. Irregularly sacked former civil servants go to court.
6. Some expensive settlements reached to "mostly keep it off the front pages".
7. The situation was nothing like what the fuckwit claimed.
8. Bullying enquiry opened.

McVey will probably manage that with an actual Secretary of State from her own party. As I say Gillian Keegan looks favourite, distracted from her apprenticeships by McVey phoning up the employers to ask about gender neutral toilets.

Love to be a fly on the wall watching McVey carry out her milk monitor role like a remedial class Julius Nicholson (PM’s unwanted blue sky thinker in the Thick of It).

Youngian wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:42 am Love to be a fly on the wall watching McVey carry out her milk monitor role like a remedial class Julius Nicholson (PM’s unwanted blue sky thinker in the Thick of It).

Meanwhile the long suffering staff (summoned to another executive briefing).

Ohh fuck:
It's Kulture war Karen.

Sunak signals he will blame Labour if Lords fails to pass his 'emergency legislation' on Rwanda quickly

Fuck me, the gap between his trousers and his shoes has more intelligence