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The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 8:59 pm I find it interesting that rather than focus on ways to stop Israel carrying out genocide. Corbyn is more interested in proving Starmer is guilty of supporting genocide.

It’s because Netenyahu is a bastard, but Starmer? As far as Corbyn et al are concerned, He’s a *traitor*. And to them, that is far, FAR worse.

"Complicity", however defined, is basically the same as dropping bombs yourself. When the Jez types used to apologize for the Soviet Union, I used to think they were just morons. I didn't think "complicit! bastards!"

The Jez Party, hitting the established parties where it hurts. And hurting the Greens more.

It's bizarre this conversation he's been having as though the Greens don't exist.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:56 am The Jez Party, hitting the established parties where it hurts. And hurting the Greens more.

It's bizarre this conversation he's been having as though the Greens don't exist.

The Greens are irrelevant to them, all they care about is preventing another Labour government.

If Jez was going to do it, he’d have already done it. He can win his own seat as a long-established incumbent. Other seats though? Good luck getting support when he starts rattling off why Ukraine should fold for Mr Putin on one hand while letting antisemites using the current Netanyahu regime as cover run as candidates on the other.

Jez is 75 so who will take his place as leader of this outfit? His Labour MP allies aren't going to relinquish their seats so probably a nut job like Eddie Dempsey or Chris Williamson who'll drive the party over a cliff.

He could pick a couple of extra seats up where "Gaza independents" came close last time, and where I'd guess Ukraine has limited resonance. But I don't see him winning seats where the Greens are already second. And they really shouldn't do deals with him. They reversed their silly NATO position but might a Polanski Reformation of the party gets the position re-reversed, in which case I guess some sort of alliance with Jez might be on the cards. I wouldn't think Ellie Chowns fancies knocking on doors in Leominster as the Jez Candidate.

The new party is sounding more likely. And still nobody has explained what he can do and the Greens can't beyond the usual "the Greens are a middle class party", which of course is completely unknown on the Labour Left.

And don't forget he got more votes than Starmer ever did...

To paraphrase the late, great Eric Morecambe, Jez got all the right votes but not necessarily in the right places.

Huge, if true.

One assumes that this David Miller character has given his carers the slip, because no sane person would mistake the man who allowed the Labour Party to become a cesspit of antisemitism for a zionist.

Jez is just an occasionally careless Palestinian nationalist. Miller is appalling. The fact a load of academics and campaigners (including Andrew Feinstein) stood with him ought to mean they’re not taken seriously ever again.

Did any of the people who signed that ever question Miller's views, or did they just think he's only an anti-zionist what's the big deal?

Andrew Feinstein seems to be a name popping up about that new party.

Also be aware of polls that say people will vote for a new party that no one knows anything about.

mattomac wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 12:12 am Andrew Feinstein seems to be a name popping up about that new party.

Also be aware of polls that say people will vote for a new party that no one knows anything about.

I know there was a poll suggesting that a Corbyn led party would take a chunk of Labour's vote, but I can't see it myself. Surely the Corbynistas wouldn't consider voting Labour anyway? My understanding was that many of them defected to the Greens after Corbyn stepped down so it'll be the Greens who'll be hurt most.

Labour still has some Jez-type support, but polling suggested the Greens would get hit a bit harder. I don't think Jez would take the Greens on- he'd lose and if he ended up stopping the Greens from winning seats, then that would hurt his legacy. The Greens will be hoping they don't have to do a deal with him. Try campaigning in North Herefordshire as the Corbyn candidate. Sure, there's lots of policy overlap but lots of people who've voted Green just see them as good for the environment, and don't want the Jez baggage on NATO etc.

Oboogie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 2:16 pm

mattomac wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 12:12 am Andrew Feinstein seems to be a name popping up about that new party.

Also be aware of polls that say people will vote for a new party that no one knows anything about.

I know there was a poll suggesting that a Corbyn led party would take a chunk of Labour's vote, but I can't see it myself. Surely the Corbynistas would consider voting Labour anyway? My understanding was that many of them defected to the Greens after Corbyn stepped down so it'll be the Greens who'll be hurt most.

It’s a bit emperors new clothes, these polls are usually very unreliable especially when the party has no policy and is as it is currently a statement.

Though for some of Corbyn’s supporters that’s enough.

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