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Just seen Ricky referred to as the 'Prime Miniature'.

Made me larf.


But the man's still a cunt.

Crace on Sunak:

Sometimes, he’s frighteningly stupid. The rest of the time he’s just frightening. His self-destruction almost unmatched among recent prime ministers. And that’s including Liz Truss and Boris Johnson.

As each reset inevitably fails, so we have been presented with more and more. The arc of failure is ever faster. Reset piled upon reset. First once a month. Then once a fortnight. Once a week has come and gone. As has once a day. Now a reset policy is dead in the water before it’s even happened.

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Does this now mean that every country in Europe can now write legislation declaring that the UK is now a "safe" country, and that they can send all migrants to us?

Making it up as they go along. Seems like the government had effect come up with a policy to chuck out lots of people already here who'd met the standards when they came in.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:34 pm

RedSparrows wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:22 am It's one of the most puzzling things to me, how that somehow the posturing and abject weakness of the Tories isn't seen by their hardcore as a sham...

I think it increasingly is. Sunak might as well be walking through the Home Counties holding a "Vote Lib Dem" sign.

You're right, I think. But my interest is more in not so much Sunak, but the conceit that fuels the whole modern Tory project. The issue is never 'what if our premises are wrong?', it's always 'the lad up front can't put'em away!'

One of the problems with politics in general. It's always "We couldn't get the message across", and not "The message got across just fine, but everyone thought it was shit"*.

*Or indeed, not the message, but the policy, or the underlying principle.

Press conference outside Downing Street at 11am.

Samanfur wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:10 am Press conference outside Downing Street at 11am.

Surely he's not ducking out after one petty resignation.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:36 am One of the problems with politics in general. It's always "We couldn't get the message across", and not "The message got across just fine, but everyone thought it was shit"*.

*Or indeed, not the message, but the policy, or the underlying principle.

Or, indeed, not the message, or the policy, or the underlying principle, but the person saying it. (See Nationalise the railways ( yay) Vs Corbyn J says Nationalise the railways (urgh no)).

Press conference:
It's weird. Chippy, immature, quite pathetic.

But also fascistic. He's playing to the Taleban.

And blaming Labour if it fails.

Sunak mentioned one exception to his tough full proof ‘send ‘em back’ rules; a proven case of persecution that endangers your life. So refugees are welcome and illegal immigrants will be sent back.

Yes, very interesting that he repeated the formulation “but the real question is, what will Labour do.” about seven times. “we have a plan, what is Labour’s plan? Will they vote for our plan?”

Labour has already indicated, several times, that it will vote against this despicable, hideous, desperate piece of legislation. And rightly so. I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much desperate casting around for a wedge issue for the election. I really don’t think this one is going to cut it.

Yes, very interesting that he repeated the formulation “but the real question is, what will Labour do.” about seven times. “we have a plan, what is Labour’s plan? Will they vote for our plan?”

This doesn’t sound Iike a leader who’s in charge.

Is it just me, or is there something basically pathetic about the leadership of a G7 country having a collective tantrum because they cannot solve a problem of their own making in the particular way they want?

And blaming each other.

Youngian wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:23 pm

Yes, very interesting that he repeated the formulation “but the real question is, what will Labour do.” about seven times. “we have a plan, what is Labour’s plan? Will they vote for our plan?”

This doesn’t sound Iike a leader who’s in charge.

At the moment, it doesn't really matter what Labour will/would do - they are not the ones in the House of Commons with a working majority.

The whole thing reeks of the 'murican Republicans between 2017 - 2019, they had the presidency and majorities in both the House of Representatives & the Senate and yet they barely got anything done in that time thanks to either internal infighting or that they couldn't really accept that they had all the levers on power and tried to create a "deep state" boogey man to try and pass off why they could not do the things they said they would do. (Mainly that when you pitch electoral battles as being permanently in protest/against almost everything mode even when you have that power, mostly to hide either being shite legislators and/or using decoys to hide creaming off taxpayers money for yourself/party/family/donors etc.)

It's incredible how much political capital they've poured into this bottomless pit. All while they have PISA results they could be talking about...

Sunak doesn’t seem to understand the difference between having a terrible, unworkable plan and that’s why it fails, and people not voting for that plan because it’s terrible and *that’s* why it fails. It’s almost as painful and difficult as watching someone trying to shit a grand piano.

Also: he has a double figures majority, yet is clearly trying to goad Labour into voting for his effort. Which says exactly how much confidence he has in it passing.

More of that political genius.

Sunak's lost the Attorney General, by the look of it. She ought to resign.