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Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:37 pm
by Oboogie
The "socialism" is presumably raising taxes/NI.

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:36 pm
by kreuzberger
Is JSP perhaps referencing Frost's random bollocks from earlier in the week, albeit clumsily? (She never was much of a writer.)

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:25 pm
by The Weeping Angel
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ate-report
That is not where the bar should be set. The issue is not only whether Johnson was guilty of criminal violations of Covid regulations, but whether he broke a lockdown that he imposed on everyone else and whether he misled parliament. Those judgments cannot be outsourced to a police force, especially one led by a commissioner who has good reason to feel she only remains in her post thanks to the mercy of the prime minister. Those are decisions that should be made by politicians and voters, with access to all the facts.

That prospect is receding. Gray now faces a choice: either publish a gutted version of her report, which Downing Street will falsely spin as having cleared the prime minister, or delay it until the police have completed their work. It’s all too plausible to imagine a Met statement, weeks or months from now, announcing that, having conducted its investigation, it has concluded that no further action need be taken. Team Johnson will spin that too as exoneration. And whatever facts Gray discovered will remain in the drafts folder of her laptop.

What would be the effect of that? I don’t mean in narrow political terms, though it would clearly boost Johnson’s prospects of retaining his job. I mean the consequences for our public and collective life. What does it do to a country to be led by a documented liar?

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:27 pm
by Crabcakes
On the other hand…”brand Boris permantly damaged”

https://www.politicshome.com/news/artic ... dence-vote

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:49 pm
by Boiler
The Sue Gray report (such as it is) is here:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... Update.pdf

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:05 pm
by The Weeping Angel
It's a dead cat I tell you a dead cat.

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:08 pm
by Boiler
"Lame duck" would be more appropriate - twelve pages that says nothing, really other than "they've been a bit naughty".

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:46 pm
by Boiler
Good Lord - Johnson actually brought up Jimmy Savile whilst attacking Starmer...

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:52 pm
by Crabcakes
Boiler wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:08 pm "Lame duck" would be more appropriate - twelve pages that says nothing, really other than "they've been a bit naughty".
At first glance, yes. But Gray has done an exceptional job of making it clear quite how dreadful things were, AND that she has all the goods stashed away.

If Johnson was hoping for her to be forced to give him a whitewash, he didn't get it. The redacted report is damning. The full one must be considerably worse still.

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:53 pm
by Crabcakes
Also, May going in for the kill. Who'd have thought being a backstabbing shit would come back to haunt you, eh?

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:54 pm
by Samanfur
Theresa May wasn't mucking about, was she?

The image of Johnson and the Tories laughing at Blackford will linger.

Blackford just expelled by Hoyle for repeatedly refusing to withdraw saying that Johnson did not "inadvertently" mislead the House.

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:16 pm
by Andy McDandy
Where do they dig these crawlers up from?

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:21 pm
by Crabcakes
This is a fucking disaster for Johnson. He can't stop digging, and his own side are turning on him. And he's taking down every single fucker he forced to sit on the front row with him.

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:22 pm
by Samanfur
The Tory front bench look like a line of the condemned, waiting for their turn at Tyburn.

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:24 pm
by Crabcakes
Also: some of this is going to leak.


Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:33 pm
by Andy McDandy
Tory benches clearing rapidly. Not good for him.

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:35 pm
by Youngian
Boiler wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:46 pm Good Lord - Johnson actually brought up Jimmy Savile whilst attacking Starmer...
Online conspiracies. Just when you thought he couldn’t sink any lower you remember Funtime Boris is really spiteful, entitled narcissist Alex Johnson.

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:43 pm
by Crabcakes
Youngian wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:35 pm
Boiler wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:46 pm Good Lord - Johnson actually brought up Jimmy Savile whilst attacking Starmer...
Just when you thought he couldn’t sink any lower you remember Funtime Boris is really spiteful, entitled narcissist Alex Johnson.
apparently he was advised not to, and it went down like a cup of cold sick with a lot of Tories. His entitlement is clearly skewing whatever passed for judgement in his head previously.

Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:51 pm
by Crabcakes
Andy McDandy wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:33 pm Tory benches clearing rapidly. Not good for him.
Indeed. I think he's blown it. His approach was all wrong, he's made a mockery of people in his own party, and his complete and obvious lack of humility has come over absolutely dreadfully - and that will already be filtering back. Just look how sparse this is:


Re: Alex Johnson - worst prime minister ever?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:57 pm
by davidjay
Crabcakes wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:43 pm
Youngian wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:35 pm
Boiler wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:46 pm Good Lord - Johnson actually brought up Jimmy Savile whilst attacking Starmer...
Just when you thought he couldn’t sink any lower you remember Funtime Boris is really spiteful, entitled narcissist Alex Johnson.
apparently he was advised not to, and it went down like a cup of cold sick with a lot of Tories. His entitlement is clearly skewing whatever passed for judgement in his head previously.
There is, just about, some semblance of decency in a lot of the old school Tories, and while there might not be many of them in Parliament they're still out there running the show in the constituencies. They don't like things like this, well not out loud, and even more importantly for them the photos of Savile and their beloved Evil Witch are doing the rounds again.