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Spot on. The exact words may change, but the sentiment never does.

The article includes quoted from actual ministers who say they're not going to do that.

Unfortunately, that feeling of "not being listened to" was a major driver of the protest element of the Brexit vote.

And that ended well, didn't it?

"Not listened to" seems to get confused with "Not agreed with" quite a lot.

Listen to Jeff and jazz up your gene pool

Here we go again.

1) Here are a bunch of people who don't really matter much.
2) Aren't they terrible?

Oh Look

Makes no sense...

Who is saying what?

Tyron appears to be a first-water Corbynite cunt - is that really the case? Whereas James Austin seems to be a decent Labourite.

Is that the correct gloss?

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Tue Jun 03, 2025 6:32 pm Tyron appears to be a first-water Corbynite cunt - is that really the case? Whereas James Austin seems to be a decent Labourite.

Is that the correct gloss?

Pretty much, James is linking to a consultation to legislate for a new equality bill.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/gove ... ty-at-work

Which looks proper.

Where did he get his DEI quote from?

From this article in the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... orm-voters

The Labour faction influencing Downing Street’s pitch to Reform UK voters has urged ministers to “root out DEI”.

An article from the Blue Labour campaign group, titled What is to be Done, calls for the government to legislate against diversity, equity and inclusion, echoing the rightwing backlash from Donald Trump and Nigel Farage.

Describing itself as part of a tradition of “conservative socialism”, the caucus was founded in 2009 by the academic Maurice Glasman, now a Labour peer. It includes the MPs Dan Carden, Jonathan Brash, Jonathan Hinder and David Smith, who represent seats in the north of England.

Keir Starmer’s turn to the right and framing of Labour as “the party of patriotism” mirror Blue Labour thinking.

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Tue Jun 03, 2025 6:32 pm Tyron appears to be a first-water Corbynite cunt - is that really the case? Whereas James Austin seems to be a decent Labourite.

Is that the correct gloss?

Tyron isn’t particularly Corbynite. He just hates Blue Labour and the constant coverage.

Hasnt Starmer been pushing this patriotism message since he was elected leader, the Guardian in that quote seem to suggest its recent and allow people to make their own conclusions.

Classic bit of framing.

mattomac wrote: ↑Tue Jun 03, 2025 8:35 pm Hasnt Starmer been pushing this patriotism message since he was elected leader, the Guardian in that quote seem to suggest its recent and allow people to make their own conclusions.

Classic bit of framing.

Yeah, he has. As did Blair, Brown, Milliband, Harold Wilson...

"Harold Wilson today made a patriotic speech about the future of Britain, a move seen as a response to the growing threat of the National Front".

Here was me thinking that taking patriotism away from being the exclusive property of the right was a good thing. Silly me.

Here's today's "Let's make Blue Labour sound important" story, news that "Blue Labour leader" ex-Corbynite, Dan Carden, has changed his vote on assisted dying (he abstained before, so it's not a huge leap). The logic is as bad as you'd expect. Everyone must suffer because palliative care for poor people isn't great (it's not great for anybody, and even if it were it does nothing for lots of conditions).

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... dan-carden

I suppose the Guardian does talk up everybody who opposes assisted dying, but bonus points for Blue Labour. Perhaps we'll get a "isn't it terrible Blue Labour are so important"article tomorrow.

Is that a thinly veiled attack on every piece of socially liberal legislation since the sixties?

“I genuinely fear the legislation will take us in the wrong direction. The values of family, social bonds, responsibilities, time and community will be diminished, with isolation, atomisation and individualism winning again.”

Families and communities are not less familial and communal if they think prolonged agonizing death is bad.

Probably something he just said to sound clever. I don't think there's much of a Labour grassroots movement for Jim Callaghan social conservatism.