[The Weeping Angel]

More sense, now

Oh, what's your problem now?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Considering how Starmer is, the object of considerable hatred, it's interesting that he is more popular than Farage.

https://labourlist.org/2025/09/exclusiv ... d-polling/

Keir Starmer is the more favoured option as Prime Minister in head-to-head polling with Nigel Farage, polling shared exclusively with LabourList reveals.

Polling for the Fabian Society, conducted by YouGov, reveals that if given a choice between Keir Starmer and Nigel Farage to be Prime Minister, voters opted for the Labour leader by a margin of 45 – 33% (with 22% saying ‘don’t know’).

This number is even larger among the voters who opted for Labour in 2024 but are not supporting the party now with Starmer at 71% vs Farage on 23% (with only 5 per cent saying ‘don’t know’). This rises even higher to 95% for Starmer over Farage when it comes to those who voted Labour in 2024 but are now saying they support either the Green Party or the Lib Dems.

When given a choice between Labour and Reform as the party of government, with no other parties on offer, the overall public opted for Labour by 46% to 34% for Reform UK – a lead of 11 points. This rises again to 71% for Labour and 25% for Reform for those who voted Labour at the last election but would not now and again to 95% for those who now support either Green or Lib Dem.

Yeah, as I keep saying, Farage in Downing Street is not a popular proposition. If only some of those Red Wall Goon MPs remembered that sometime.

[Abernathy]

More sense, now

Oh, what's your problem now?

No problem - it makes more sense now.

[davidjay]

Yeahbut the Fabians are Marxist.

[Killer Whale]

Yeahbut the Fabians are Marxist.

Where has this thing about the Fabian Society come from? I know they flirted with eugenics a century or so ago, but since then they've been the most inoffensive (I don't mean that in a complimentary way) of Social Democrat groups. Yet here they are as a born-again bête noire of a certain type of social media loony. How has that happened?

[Andy McDandy]

They read books and some of them wear glasses.

[Killer Whale]

This, in the Spectator of all places, is useful.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... n-society/

The origin of these conspiracy theories about the Fabian Society secretly running Britain which have suddenly sprung up is the appeal court ruling in the Epping Forest asylum seekers’ hotel case. Some genius ‘discovered’ – although it has never been hidden – that the senior judge, Lord Justice Bean, had been a member of the Fabian Society. Not just a member but, for a year, the chair. A lefty! Outrage! One barrister has reported Sir David to the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office for not recusing himself.

[Andy McDandy]

I believe that barrister is one of the standard RW cranks who the Speccy features from time to time.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Very likely it is Steven Barrett.

[davidjay]

This, in the Spectator of all places, is useful.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... n-society/

The origin of these conspiracy theories about the Fabian Society secretly running Britain which have suddenly sprung up is the appeal court ruling in the Epping Forest asylum seekers’ hotel case. Some genius ‘discovered’ – although it has never been hidden – that the senior judge, Lord Justice Bean, had been a member of the Fabian Society. Not just a member but, for a year, the chair. A lefty! Outrage! One barrister has reported Sir David to the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office for not recusing himself.

They've been going on about the Fabians since the day after the election.

[mattomac]

I knew I should have remained a member….

[davidjay]

Yeahbut the Fabians are Marxist.

Where has this thing about the Fabian Society come from? I know they flirted with eugenics a century or so ago, but since then they've been the most inoffensive (I don't mean that in a complimentary way) of Social Democrat groups. Yet here they are as a born-again bête noire of a certain type of social media loony. How has that happened?

Because that lot are desperate to find something, anything, they can throw at us and 'activist' is interchangeable with 'extremist'.

[Tubby Isaacs]

It's a US thing. "Activist judges". But at least in the US judges are appointed partly because of their politics (even if that's not always been so much the case- some Republican-appointed judges at lower levels are standing up to Trump). In the UK, it's basically a variation on "clever people with their books".

It's also a funny take for people who claim to venerate the Common Law.

[Youngian]

A few years back there was a clever dick solicitor who claimed he could get anyone off a speeding or drink-driving charge. He was venerated as a folk hero the likes Clarkson and Littlejohn.
Briefs are there to fight for white middle class men.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Reminds me of when John Terry was up on some charge before the FA, and Chelsea didn't like it so made a song and dance about getting in a "QC". Chelsea won. Anyone retaining Steven Barrett (at least on his public output, where he has no specialist knowledge) is likely to lose badly.

[Boiler]

Starmer - stop with this "un-British" shit. You're not a fucking Yank.

[Youngian]

Or General Melchett.

Being a beastly monster is unBritish