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Annaliese didn’t walk out, did she ? She was sacked when she was Shadow Chancellor and replaced by Rachel Reeves.

She walked out from the Overseas Development role, didn't she?

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Fri Sep 05, 2025 4:53 pm Sod. I've just written to Liz Kendall. Now I'll have to do it over with Big Pat.

Mind, reorganising bits of Education hasn't worked well in the past (Fuckface Thatcher tried that)...

See what the actual reforms are but this is one of the more promising organizational structures, I think. if you want to increase labour market participation, which really needs to happen, it's good to put the skills bit with the DWP. Reminds me a bit of the old Department of Employment in that respect.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 05, 2025 4:43 pm David Lammy confirmed as new Deputy PM and Justice Secretary. Lucy Powell ousted as Leader of the House. Shabana Mahmood the new Home Secretary, with Yvette Cooper moving to the Foreign Office. Ian Murray out as Scottish Secretary. Pat McFadden to take on a new “Super Ministry” that includes the DWP and parts of the Education & Skills brief. Liz Kendall going somewhere else, possibly to McFadden’s old job as cabinet office minister.

This is a big, big re-shuffle.

Think would be a mistake for Lammy not to have a department, but I like most of that.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 05, 2025 5:17 pm She walked out from the Overseas Development role, didn't she?

Yes, I think that’s right. I’d forgotten about that.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 05, 2025 3:36 pm There has been some wild speculation about Angie maybe now joining the Corbyn/Sultana mob.

Beyond wild. Angie is far too sensible for that bollocks.

Two errors of judgement would be considered careless.

Inevitable, I guess.
At least it wasn't teased out over a fortnight like Zahawi and various others form the last administration(s).

I'm currently left with the bitter taste of Real (tm) Two Tier Justice.
With a side order of can't be too careful, Ming vase.

She also has a different view of stuff like student fees to the Jez Left. If you leave school at 16, free university isn't much use to you.

Bones McCoy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 05, 2025 5:40 pm Inevitable, I guess.
At least it wasn't teased out over a fortnight like Zahawi and various others form the last administration(s).

I'm currently left with the bitter taste of Real (tm) Two Tier Justice.
With a side order of can't be too careful, Ming vase.

Yep. Zahawi also sent a SLAPP letter to Dan Neidle and lied about being under investigation. His case was much worse, and got a 30% tax penalty. She will probably get less, but any sort of tax penalty is a resignation matter, even if Laurie Magnus clears you.

They scam millions and smile about it. Farage lies, cheats and cons. We make an honest mistake and get hounded. But they're all the same.

Mandy is still in unfortunately.

Nandy?

I thought it was definite that she and Bridget Philipson were being sacked.

Streeting is still in. He's not done too much wrong, but I wouldn't go in with him at the next election as Health Secretary.

Emma Reynolds to DEFRA. I thought she was some sort of finance cuckoo in the nest? Do these sinister backers own a lot of cattle?

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Fri Sep 05, 2025 5:56 pm Mandy is still in unfortunately.

Well, he is the Ambassador to the USA. I don’t think that job ever gets included in a cabinet re-shuffle.

Kendall is Science, which is a bit of a demotion.

Deary me. Reshuffling the Cabinet isn't something only Conservatives do. And just a guess here, they don't intend just to sit in their offices doing nothing.

They've had a go at making some positive changes. You and your mates have argued against virtually all of them.

Labour learning from 'calamity Conservatives' with reshuffle, Lib Dems say

Responding to today’s reshuffle, Liberal Democrat Leader Ed Davey said:

“If Labour believes that having a reshuffle will solve the deep-rooted problems of this government, they are learning the wrong lessons from the calamity Conservatives before them.

"Until Keir Starmer is ready to grab the bull by the horns and confront the problems our country really faces, it makes little difference who sits where around the Cabinet table."

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 05, 2025 5:20 pm

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Fri Sep 05, 2025 4:53 pm Sod. I've just written to Liz Kendall. Now I'll have to do it over with Big Pat.

Mind, reorganising bits of Education hasn't worked well in the past (Fuckface Thatcher tried that)...

See what the actual reforms are but this is one of the more promising organizational structures, I think. if you want to increase labour market participation, which really needs to happen, it's good to put the skills bit with the DWP. Reminds me a bit of the old Department of Employment in that respect.

Thatcher tried putting 'skills' into Business (Alan Clark, I believe) which led to a fundamental clash/disagreement on basic philosophy (Business worked on 'competencies' - very transactional, not popular at education,* especially when Education was expected to administer and deliver NVQ and GNVQ).
It ended badly, and unless there is a propr alignment of values and aims there may be again.


*But popular with Thatcher who thought she was breaking the power of 'lefty' teachers.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 05, 2025 6:03 pm Nandy?

I thought it was definite that she and Bridget Philipson were being sacked.

Streeting is still in. He's not done too much wrong, but I wouldn't go in with him at the next election as Health Secretary.

That's who I meant.

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Fri Sep 05, 2025 6:40 pm
Thatcher tried putting 'skills' into Business (Alan Clark, I believe) which led to a fundamental clash/disagreement on basic philosophy (Business worked on 'competencies' - very transactional, not popular at education,* especially when Education was expected to administer and deliver NVQ and GNVQ).
It ended badly, and unless there is a propr alignment of values and aims there may be again.


*But popular with Thatcher who thought she was breaking the power of 'lefty' teachers.

I'm not sure I've understood you. Sounds like you're saying Skills don't particularly fit with Education because the philosophy is different.

I think a lot depends on the minister. I'd rather have Alan Clark doing skills at the DTI than, say, Michael Gove doing them at Education (in that period skills were under Business). Philipson is the sort of Education Secretary who cares about skills and industry, so maybe she'll be unhappy to lose responsibility, but I think she'll do a good job in aligning Education and Skills as best as she can.

I do like the potential of the McFadden role joining up the DWP with Skills. As thing stands the "job centre" sending people "on a course" is often seen as punitive, going through the motions. If Skills are right in there with the DWP, I think that's a much better dynamic. You'd have to work closely with Business as well though.

davidjay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 05, 2025 5:46 pm They scam millions and smile about it. Farage lies, cheats and cons. We make an honest mistake and get hounded. But they're all the same.

And that will be the take-home for the Reform voters - confirmation of their beliefs/feelings.