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Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 4:54 pm**

I don't think that I have ever felt actual sadness about someone's political demise, but that is exactly how I feel about Starmer's. Profoundly so.

There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that this man is as decent and committed to a better country as the day is long, particularly this one. The same cannot be said for the feral press and television news.

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 5:29 pm**

Starmer is easily the best PM in my lifetime. My definition of best is a simple one, what he's achieved and how he behaves whilst doing it.
Burnham makes me very nervous because I have no idea what his plans are or if he is competent - he's never been tested in high office.
I'm particularly concerned about the economy and global affairs. Burnham has been consistently luke-warm at best on the EU so it seems likely progress there will stall and he has shown no interest in international politics - how does he stand on Putin, Trump, Ukraine? No idea.
However, what I cling to is every Labour government is better than every alternative. If Burnham can convince me he can win 2029, he'll have my support.

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 5:32 pm**

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2026 4:54 pm The same cannot be said for the feral press and television news.

Or indeed, his backbenchers.

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 5:57 pm**

Pretty disappointed that he's appearing to step down without a fight. I think that has been my only problem with him: whenever a challenge pops up he has tended to fold, with Trump's stupid war being the exception.

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 6:44 pm**

If he does depart, he’ll have done so without ever losing.

And I suspect out of office he might end up being much lauded, and I hope made use of. He’s a decent bloke who had some poor advisors, some bad luck and some unforced errors. But he turned Labour around quicker than anyone thought possible and has made some genuine inroads in fixing the Tory mess.

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 7:08 pm**

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2026 4:54 pm I don't think that I have ever felt actual sadness about someone's political demise, but that is exactly how I feel about Starmer's. Profoundly so.

There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that this man is as decent and committed to a better country as the day is long, particularly this one. The same cannot be said for the feral press and television news.

Possibly Neil Kinnock in 1992, and the similarities don't end there.

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 7:12 pm**

To me as a non-Labour member, Starmer comes across as a decent man who's done an okay-ish job with the hand he's been dealt with but whose personality doesn't fare well against a self-serving media class and impatient public that think 14 years of Tory misrule can be turned around in less than two.

If he stands down in the next few days with Burnham to (inevitably) move into 10 Downing Street, then I hope he better show some balls of steel before he gets attacked the same way.

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 8:08 pm**

Seems Mango Mugabe has weighed in too.

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 10:20 pm**

I think one of the biggest criticism of the Starmer government has been that ministers have become preoccupied with trying to outdo Farage when coming up with new policies. By trying to compete with Farage in a race to the bottom firdtly yiu end up with very bad policy ans secondly you actually build up Farage. Surely going forward it should be left to the party chairman to try and deal with Farage rather than leaving it to individual ministers.

If you gave the job of party chairman to somebody like Angela Rayner she could both attack Farage and also highlight why Reform have such a problem with women.

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 11:03 pm**

Fuck, this is depressing. An impending coronation for a bloke who tried twice before in votes and failed miserably.

Manc swagger won't wash round here, pal.

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 11:17 pm**

It's that swagger or swag-swagger. As is said rather indelicately in Dumbarton, you can only piss with the cock you've got.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2026 8:28 am**

People don't like being called out too early for an unnecessary GEs (Theresa May) or squatting in office too long without a new mandate (Callaghan). Burnham should have waited next year for his usurping shenanigans.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2026 9:10 am**

Youngian wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2026 8:28 am People don't like being called out too early for an unnecessary GEs (Theresa May) or squatting in office too long without a new mandate (Callaghan). Burnham should have waited next year for his usurping shenanigans.

I say two years, with a cabinet post, then a hand over a year before the election so he has the new leader bounce.
This way he'll be old news by 2029 and the various factions will have branded him a traitor, a Communist, a war criminal, a Europhile, a transphobe, a Mossad agent, an antisemite, an Islamophobe, a paedo apologist, unpatriotic, a Tory etc etc If he diverts from Starmer's manifesto he'll be called undemocratic, if he doesn't he'll be accused of not delivering change.
He may not even last three years.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2026 9:25 am**

Most of what Oboogie says is in large part thanks to David Cameron. His little vanity project not only opened, but removed and destroyed the gates to the cunt farm. And that is why our politics, and the media which follows it* are in such a shit state now.

*polite way of saying "spending their time in shit-stirring, trying to set the agenda, and often both at the same time.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2026 9:30 am**

Statement in Downing Street sometime this morning

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2026 9:36 am**

He's resigned. No details at the moment.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2026 9:39 am**

The question my party is asking now is whether I am best placed to lead us into the next general election.
I have heard the answer of my parliamentary party to that question, and I accept that answer with good grace.
Every decision I’ve taken has been about putting the country I love first. That is why I will resign as leader of the Labour party.
I have spoken to His Majesty the King this morning to inform him of my decision.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2026 9:40 am**

Staying in post as caretaker, with a new leader in place before parliament reconvenes after recess.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2026 9:45 am**

Youngian wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2026 8:28 am People don't like being called out too early for an unnecessary GEs (Theresa May) or squatting in office too long without a new mandate (Callaghan). Burnham should have waited next year for his usurping shenanigans.

I suspect Burnham might have been willing to wait, but Streeting forced things. But in doing so, has probably destroyed any slim hope he ever had of being leader.

Posted: **Mon Jun 22, 2026 10:01 am**

Streeting needs to be tied up in a sack and dumped in a Suffolk ditch, the weaselly little CUNT.

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