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Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 10:05 am

UK unemployment shows surprise fall to 4.9% as pay growth drops to lowest in five years
Bank of England expected to keep interest rates on hold as Iran war casts shadow over labour market

Quite a large fall too (from 5.2%). Possibly a fluke or possibly business was adjusting to the higher costs better than lots of people expected.

Is that good or bad?

The fall is good. Or was until Trump attacked Iran.

The point I was making is that business has had quite a lot of costs to absorb, from the minimum wage, tax and won't like the new working rights coming in next year. It would be good if it had been managing to do that without much effect on employment.

Ed Davey's latest "there we have it" revelation is McSweeney saying that he didn't think Mandelson would have been appointed if Kamala Harris had won.

Had McSweeney said the opposite, then it would have been "determined to appoint Trump either way", or some such. Does Ed think that other countries didn't make hurried changes to their diplomatic approach when Trump II came in? What's the scandal here?

I generally rate Theresa May higher than the other recent Tory PMs, but someone BTL pointed out that, having suspended Charlie Elphicke, she then restored the whip to him because she needed him to vote for her deal. He was of course found guilty in court.

I don't remember a thousandth of the current furore over that. Mandleson of course has not even been accused of a sexual offence, just that he stayed (very) friendly with someone who'd committed one.

Labour’s Alex Barros-Curtis said he did not need to be told how to vote today. He said he was voting against the motion, because he did not believe the case for an inquiry had been made out.

As a solicitor, he had seen many witness statements, he said. He said the case made by Kemi Badenoch in her speech was “one of the most poorly made out cases in my professional lifetime”.

Ha ha. I can well believe it, even without hearing Kemi's effort at making a quasi-legal case.

Yeah, Starmer gets easy media coverage.

This "scandal" was all about process. That's why people are concentrating on it. If the argument were that Starmer had to resign for appointing Mandelson, that would have been made months ago, when it wasn't. And lots of media types said it was a good appointment, so calling for resignation over it would be a stretch even for them.

I have no idea what Starmer has done to Stephen Bush.

He really hates Starmer doesn't he...

That's frankly as deluded as Reform saying the establishment are out to get them, maybe not as much as anything Liz Truss says mind.

Where the heck does Starmer enjoy favorable media coverage, Court TV, the shed channel?

I assume some abstained anyhow unsurprisingly commons vote against.

This MP seems to come up talking gobshitery fairly often. I generally like the Alliance Party too. Remind me to vote for the SDLP if ever I live in Northern Ireland.

There was also lacerating criticism of the prime minister from figures including Sorcha Eastwood, the Alliance MP for Lagan Valley, who challenged Labour allegations that those supporting the motion were engaged in a stunt. “I have had two car bombs at the edges of my constituency in the last five weeks, so believe me, there are much bigger things that I would prefer to be talking about at this time,” she said.

As you say yourself, Sorcha, there are more important things you could be concentrating on rather than going along with this 12 day old weak sauce. Why personalize it like this? How many car bombs in Kemi Badenoch and Ed Davey's constituency?

"Lacerating" wouldn't be my word for this. It would be "baffling".

I know Marina Hyde is a bit like a political sketchwriter, but even so.

Starmer seems to think he can do no wrong – two weeks of Mandy-mania hearings point to the opposite conclusion

Bereft of any big ideas, or indeed policies, the PM is in his happy place: a never-ending parliamentary procedural process

Two weeks of hearings having shown- what? That Starmer probably told the truth? Marina's accuse him of misleading Parliament, then anything else they can think of, he defends himself (with supporting evidence from Olly Robbins, Cat Little and (a memo) Chris Wormald), and then Marina sneers that he's luxuriating in boring procedural stuff? It's "John Major ha ha Cones Hotline" again.

I don't have Marina's extensive academic qualifications in amateur psychology, admittedly, but my guess is that the PM's overriding emotion right now isn't that he can do no wrong- it's that he can do no right.

Nice work if you can get it, Marina.

mattomac wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 7:05 pm I assume some abstained anyhow unsurprisingly commons vote against.

Good. Now, can the press, broadcasters, twatcasters with RLMs, Guardian BTLers, Uncle Tom Cobbley and all now just SHUT THE FUCK UP and let the Government get on with doing the good things it has been doing - the ones you conveniently ignore?

Twats.

https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/ ... 66265.html

Former top civil servant says Starmer knew risks of ‘toxic, hot potato’ Epstein-Mandelson relationship

Not only the Former top civil servant (Philip Barton) says Starmer knew the risks. Starmer himself said he knew the risks.

David Lynch the author of this piece was flagging up his story from 7 months ago about the failed vetting, and saying Starmer knew. It looks like he didn't, I guess this is where he now is.

Youngian wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 6:19 pm Where the heck does Starmer enjoy favorable media coverage, Court TV, the shed channel?

Do Saturday morning kids shows still interview politicians? Starmer could try there, but with his luck he'd probably get attacked by an unholy alliance of 10 year old Kippers and Greens.

Failing that, perhaps Emu's Broadcasting Company could be revived.

The one comforting fact about these abstainers is that they will be hauled out of bed at 4am tomorrow by the broadcasters.

Bless their useless hearts.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 11:29 am The fall is good. Or was until Trump attacked Iran.

The point I was making is that business has had quite a lot of costs to absorb, from the minimum wage, tax and won't like the new working rights coming in next year. It would be good if it had been managing to do that without much effect on employment.

Thanks, my workplace has offered voluntary redundancy to my team and others. I just have to hope enough people take it or else I could be out of a job and I don't want to go back to the job centre again.

Oh Christ. Sorry to hear this.

Indeed, that is worrying news and I hope that it is all sorted out in short order.

Sorry to hear that. Hope you are OK but sorry for those that aren't.

According to The Guardian Starmer has seen off a 'major rebellion'.

15 Labour MPs voted against the whip...

15 out of 403...