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Boiler wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2026 9:21 am

Yug wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2026 8:59 am Speaking of Brexshitters dispensing their wisdom about the motor industry, we left the EU some years ago. Have BMW gone bust yet?

Nope. Turned a profit last year, in fact. People seem to like their EVs, especially the i4 if the number of them I see on the A1 on my commute is anything to go by.

Are you telling me, after all their assertions that the German car industry needs us more than we need them, they actually got it wrong?

I wonder what else they weren't quite accurate about?

Not so long ago I parked my Fiat next to a Range Rover: it dwarfed it. Who really needs a car that big?

Yanks.
Apparently Jaguar is no longer in production.


There's also the matter of bosses playing off European governments to maximise their corporate welfare subsidies. I'd expect a competent administration to have prepared a cost benefit analysis so they know what the subsidy tipping point is and a minister can tell them where to go.

Graham is a great one for “lack of investment”. Say what you like about tech barons, they do investment. The upshot of which is lots of people with similar politics to Graham claiming that this investment will wipe out about half the workforce.

Lack of sales might be a better diagnosis.

Youngian wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2026 12:11 pm

Not so long ago I parked my Fiat next to a Range Rover: it dwarfed it. Who really needs a car that big?

Yanks.

Plus drug dealers (stealth black option) and trophy wives (white).

The other thing killing Range Rover sales are the cheap Chinese SUV imports, e.g. Jaecoo. You can buy a car as big as a Range Rover (the Jaecoo 8) but for a third of the price. Just pray you don't need parts for it, if the Internet is to be believed. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/cars/jaecoo/8

Youngian wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2026 12:11 pm Apparently Jaguar is no longer in production.

If you go to Jaguar's website it shows all the cars I remember them making (except the XJ) but if you click on a model (e,g. XF) this is what you get:


The "New Era" cars have pretty pictures but they've inevitably attracted idiots saying "they're woke/not a real Jaguar".

https://www.jaguar.com/en-gb/jdx/copy-n ... index.html

IIRC "Copy Nothing" comes from William Lyons.

In other news, the Nissan plant in Sunderland is to assemble CKD Omoda and Jaecoo vehicles from China.

Is the Government allowed to do anything in this country? I see the practical, get on with it, folk in Reform haven't hesitated to sue over this.

Rayner cancels some local government reorganisation plans for England, and delays others, after Burnham requested rethink
Decisions on flagship local government reorganisation have been withdrawn as the government launches a review of the plans following new legal advice, the Press Association reports.

One of those withdrawn is Essex. So 1 county and 12 district councils it is. Great.

Downing Street had refused to deny an Observer story saying that Andy Burnham intends to ensure that the Sun newspaper does not get any special editorial favours from him as PM.

I approve this message. No exclusive announcements, anything like that.

But it is very hard for poiiticians to turn down the chance to write a column in a newspaper, even one that hates them. It's direct message v The Sun spinning what you've said. I expect the usual suspects will treat writing a column as a special favour, as if he could reach the public by writing in The Canary.

Not everyone who flicks through The Sun will be a complete irreconcilable. Copies kick around in works canteens, that sort of thing. Even at home- couples don't always share the same politics.

Burnham is only being absolutely consistent and true to his principles. What Kelvin McKenzie’s rag did is absolutely beyond the pale.

Murdoch's rags aren't going to big up Burnham so he has nothing to lose shunning the Sun.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2026 4:11 pm Burnham is only being absolutely consistent and true to his principles. What Kelvin McKenzie’s rag did is absolutely beyond the pale.

I agree with him. No favors. No policies announced first to them.

I'm just preparing for the inevitable bad faith stuff where he writes an article in the campaign, and that's represented as a massive betrayal. By lots of people who know very well that Ken Livingstone and Tony Benn wrote articles for The Sun, for the same reason Burnham probably will.

Oh, for god's sake.



I'm sorry, but this is a bad-faith reading of what Jones said. Not to mention a lot of what about Palestine Action and XR btl.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2026 4:11 pm Burnham is only being absolutely consistent and true to his principles. What Kelvin McKenzie’s rag did is absolutely beyond the pale.

He's a Scouser. That makes all the difference.

If there are riots because people think you aren't doing anything, are you not supposed to tell people afterwards that you are? People might actually be paying attention then. Climate change/XR isn't really a great comparison, because the public aren't told constantly that you're doing nothing about it.