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So who's going to replace Sturgeon then?

Dapper John Nicholson will be in with a shout.

On present Tory polling numbers, Nicola Sturgeon could be leader of the opposition next year if she’s game.

Youngian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:30 pm On present Tory polling numbers, Nicola Sturgeon could be leader of the opposition next year if she’s game.

That rather depends on the reason(s) behind her resignation.

I know Nicola Sturgeon isn't everybody's cup of tea but my god, some people have seriously lost their shit over this. The hatred, insults and abuse is off the scale and we're not just talking Scots opposed to independence. Mail Online currently has 13 separate stories and they've wheeled out Bully -in-Chief Wootton to deliver the usual voice of the people nonsense.

Why would you resign now, if you believe that there's a clear majority for independence? She's done a long enough shift though, and I agree that John Nicolson looks the best candidate.

The tax credit the SNP have done is really good. But as ever, the good stuff coexists with lies about Scottish finances. I feel sorry for them over the gender bill, but I begrudgingly acknowledge that Salmond has a point about the politics.. The SNP have a load of voters who probably aren't that different to the Red Wall ones (see the high number of SNP voters who supported Brexit) and those who support the UK Government court case). I thought it would be a pretty easy political win whatever the result of the court case, but it doesn't look like it will be.

Rosvanian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:17 pm I know Nicola Sturgeon isn't everybody's cup of tea but my god, some people have seriously lost their shit over this. The hatred, insults and abuse is off the scale and we're not just talking Scots opposed to independence. Mail Online currently has 13 separate stories and they've wheeled out Bully -in-Chief Wootton to deliver the usual voice of the people nonsense.

If I'm very much not mistaken, many of whom also seemed to be positively revelling in Jacinda Ardern's resignation a few short weeks ago as well.

I doubt I'll ever be convinced by the case for any form of nationalism, but Sturgeon was by some distance the most successful political leader of recent times. During the summer of 2019, around the time Boris the Ledge ascended to the top job and Jez was doing a passable impression of an inanimate carbon rod, she often seemed to be the only adult in the room.

Oh gawd



I'm referring to India Willoughby

If you want a very rough guide to the capabilities or otherwise of Nicola Sturgeon, have a look at where the abuse is coming from.

Rosvanian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:17 pm I know Nicola Sturgeon isn't everybody's cup of tea but my god, some people have seriously lost their shit over this. The hatred, insults and abuse is off the scale and we're not just talking Scots opposed to independence. Mail Online currently has 13 separate stories and they've wheeled out Bully -in-Chief Wootton to deliver the usual voice of the people nonsense.

An outside observer could compile a psychological thesis on the haters.
What is it that Sturgeon, Ahern, Thunberg, (continuing list of successful female leaders and influencers) that so triggers a certain type.

And why do that "certain type" so often match a similar photo-fit.

davidjay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:07 am If you want a very rough guide to the capabilities or otherwise of Nicola Sturgeon, have a look at where the abuse is coming from.

Just wind your memories back a couple of years to the beginning of the pandemic.

From Edinburgh, succinct, factual, sober presentations by the first minister - assisted as necessary by medical and scientific professionals.

Meanwhile in London, a barely sober scarecrow blustered through a confusing melee of medical advice and dead cats with an ever changing cast of wingmen, but the scientists clearly sidelined.

Bones McCoy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:33 am

davidjay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:07 am If you want a very rough guide to the capabilities or otherwise of Nicola Sturgeon, have a look at where the abuse is coming from.

Just wind your memories back a couple of years to the beginning of the pandemic.

From Edinburgh, succinct, factual, sober presentations by the first minister - assisted as necessary by medical and scientific professionals.

Meanwhile in London, a barely sober scarecrow blustered through a confusing melee of medical advice and dead cats with an ever changing cast of wingmen, but the scientists clearly sidelined.

And then went back to 'work' in an atmosphere resembling a frat house.

Johnson and co see high office either as a stepping stone to bigger things, or an entitlement. They love the fun bits - the high level meetings, the glad-handing dignitaries, the dressing up and playing at being a fighter pilot for a day. They don't see the job as an end in itself, and definitely don't like the actual work aspects of it.

For all they bang on about Thatcher, they could take a leaf out of her book - "if you want something discussed, ask a man; if you want it sorted, ask a woman" or similar.

Labour seem a bit hubristic. I think it's a tall order to get even the seats they won in 2017 back, even if they consolidate Unionist votes like they seem to be doing.

This is what's getting Labour excited.

Of course, it doesn't mean that a new SNP leader can't perform well but it's a whole new headache the SNP/ Yes side didn't need and didn't think they would need. But don't be hubristic twats, Labour.

But don't be hubristic twats, Labour.

A lot are, Sturgeon is a disastrous terrible leader but can still single handily prevent Labour from being the largest party, is not a convincing take. Please help with Labour’s Westminster arithmetic isn’t going to win over many indy hearts.
Putting this woman in charge wouldn’t do Labour any harm

At first glance, you'd not kick her out of bed for eating oatcakes but, by Christ, she's the bigot gene in an M&S outfit. Pass

She's done very well with the child tax credit, in fairness to her. I expect someone with her combination of views isn't uncommon in some countries, particularly with very strong Roman Catholic traditions. But i'd be surprised if she even ran. Tim Farron rather showed up the problems that she'd face, even if she might be convincing on amateur theology than he was.

Tactical genius from Angus here.

I'm all for politicians who don't look at polls. but this wouldn't be my response to seeing that lots of Yes voters aren't all that bothered in the short term.

Totally normal reaction here from Jolyon Maugham

The SNP don't deserve this. Advice from Simon Jenkins. Full Fiscal Autonomy which seems like the worst of both worlds.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... vo-max-snp