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Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:26 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
She certainly has but you can’t say she never supported independence.

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:42 pm
by The Weeping Angel
There's also this claim that she left because the SNP were protecting a sex pest


Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:23 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
SNP councillor tells an Asian Labour councillor that "as a new Scot", she might be not be aware of the political background to the bedroom tax.

I don't think she meant anything more than "this might be before your time"- the Labour councillor doesn't have a Scottish accent, so may have moved to Scotland/UK recently. But it's not a great look. She's referred herself to the appropriate committee.


Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:09 pm
by kreuzberger
Yug wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:13 pm
Watchman wrote:Does she think the Tories will automatically select her as a candidate?
Why not? Tories seem to like thick people.
Rats boarding a sinking ship - that's a new level of stupid.

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:28 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
kreuzberger wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:09 pm

Rats boarding a sinking ship - that's a new level of stupid.
In the 90s, England were getting stuffed by Australia and picked Martin McCague who had grown up in Australia but had been born in Northern Ireland. The Aussie media called him "the first rat to join a sinking ship".

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:33 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Is this thread title coming true? This would be absolute disaster for the SNP. Most seats for Labour, with the Tories and Lib Dems probably holding all of theirs (maybe a coupe extra).


Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:36 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Not particularly good for them here either.

It's a shame really, because the proposals are progressive and everywhere needs to raise more tax, even if the advocates seem to be exaggerating the amount they'd raise. But Scotland doesn't seem to be all that different to anywhere else in terms of how much it likes paying tax. So I guess it'll be more calling everyone else Tories.


Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 4:04 pm
by Abernathy
Just watching Yousaf’s conference address on the telly box. Humza’s doing his best having been dealt a shitty hand, bless him, but the whole speech is fundamentally dishonest(the Hamas bit at the start aside). Applause line for saying “I have no idea what Keir Starmer stands for”. [here’s a clue, Humza, it ain’t fucking Scottish independence].

The first line on the first page of the SNP manifesto will say “vote SNP for an independent Scotland”.
Wasn’t that Ash Regan’s idea, rejected out of hand by Yousaf during the leadership contest ?

And Scotland will “go directly to the bond markets”. Not even sure exactly what that means, let alone whether it’s even legal.

The party faithful will give him the standing ovation of course, but in my view, it’s ringing hollow.

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:08 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Council tax freeze again. All parties do this but can’t be good for local government. There’s a fair bit unspent from before, maybe they’re going to use that.

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:42 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Abernathy wrote: Tue Oct 17, 2023 4:04 pm Just watching Yousaf’s conference address on the telly box. Humza’s doing his best having been dealt a shitty hand, bless him, but the whole speech is fundamentally dishonest(the Hamas bit at the start aside). Applause line for saying “I have no idea what Keir Starmer stands for”. [here’s a clue, Humza, it ain’t fucking Scottish independence].

The first line on the first page of the SNP manifesto will say “vote SNP for an independent Scotland”.
Wasn’t that Ash Regan’s idea, rejected out of hand by Yousaf during the leadership contest ?

And Scotland will “go directly to the bond markets”. Not even sure exactly what that means, let alone whether it’s even legal.

The party faithful will give him the standing ovation of course, but in my view, it’s ringing hollow.
Scotland's had these borrowing powers for ages, apparently. Which is confusing because the latest sly soundbite is "Scotland's budget is fixed by Westminster".

Borrowing isn't cheap for anyone right now, but I suppose there's always a case for some well chosen capital projects.

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:45 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
This doesn't sound particularly helpful from the Deputy First Minister. I wonder if Humza will still be about for the next Holyrood election.


Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:10 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
No great surprised here. Yousaf pulled a major policy out of his arse for something to announce at conference. But lots of people do that. I'm actually relatively impressed the FOIA was dealt with so quickly. Not many politicians or governments would have done that..


Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:32 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
I appreciate the personal circumstances, but this seems sub-optimal.


Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:41 pm
by Youngian
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:32 pm I appreciate the personal circumstances, but this seems sub-optimal.

That’s Sunak’s level of whataboutery. Did Humza mention Liam Byrne’s note?

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:03 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Ha ha. Perhaps he said Sarwar "wanted to make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister".

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:39 am
by The Weeping Angel

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:08 am
by mattomac
“Holding back the tears”

I’m sorry he is only in this mess because he tried to avoid fessing up and paying for it.

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:38 am
by Youngian
Don’t they have wifi in Morocco? This isn’t malevolent corruption but a case of not wanting to admit you’ve been a right plonker.

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:52 pm
by mattomac
All I can think of is he had use a dodgy service to watch the match or a VPN hence he had to use his own data.

Of course if it was just kids being silly a simple “oh I made an error, here you go”, sorry would have sufficed.

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:53 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Pretty bad attempt to bullshit their way out of the situation, which was easily solved by fessing up and taking the £11,000 hit, which I'm sure could have been spread out a bit or covered by a loan from the SNP. The public hates stuff to do with the expenses, and this will add to an impression that they've been in power too long among even a section of Yes supporters.

Yousaf's visibly not up to Sturgeon's standard too. And specifically, I wonder if that rather daft speech where he reads out senior positions and says "White" after them has been viewed by a lot of voters. He had a point of course, but better to make it in abstract terms instead of picking out actual people. I can imagine some Reform Party goon doing that with non-white senior politicians.

Whatever it is they're not doing that well at the moment. The Westminster by-election was maybe sui generis, with Ferrier and Labour being able to bring in massive firepower for a one off (from, shock, England and Wales). But they're losing out in regular council by elections too.