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Oboogie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:03 pm

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:41 pm As a good Hindu.

I know he's a Hindu (I'm unqualified to assess how 'good' he might be), but whilst many Hindus are vegetarian, most are not.

Thought I heard it’s a tradition for Brahmins and other upper castes but not necessarily so

Nehru was a non-vegetarian like most of Kashmiri Brahmins (including Brahmins of Bihar, Bengal etc.) but there is no proof in the contemporary official or non-official records that he was a beef-eater.
https://sabrangindia.in/pandit-jawaharl ... -gang/amp/

Apparently Hindus are prone to lie about their diet due to religious/societal pressures, making it hard to ascertain the true numbers. From my brief Googling, it seems most estimates of vegetarianism amongst Hindus are in the 30-40% range.

"If you go by three large-scale government surveys, 23%-37% of Indians are estimated to be vegetarian. By itself this is nothing remarkably revelatory.

But new research by US-based anthropologist Balmurli Natrajan and India-based economist Suraj Jacob, points to a heap of evidence that even these are inflated estimations because of "cultural and political pressures". So people under-report eating meat - particularly beef - and over-report eating vegetarian food.

Taking all this into account, say the researchers, only about 20% of Indians are actually vegetarian - much lower than common claims and stereotypes suggest.

Hindus, who make up 80% of the Indian population, are major meat-eaters. Even only a third of the privileged, upper-caste Indians are vegetarian."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-43581122

Thoughtful piece from Nick Cohen :

Yet there is nothing remotely tedious about Keir Starmer. He has the potential to be one of the most extraordinary figures in modern British history.

https://nickcohen.substack.com/p/keir- ... t-ruthless

Keir Starmer: the nicest ruthless bastard you could hope to meet

A good piece and a good point about the police immunity vote . Grown-up politics means looking at what happens the day after.

Sir Keir wants the England kit with the nice tiny flag scrapped. How silly.

Careful now, I see Ed Miliband overcompensating.
A marketeer is someone who knows what you like a few weeks before you do. Especially highly paid ones working for a multinational.

Kear -- "Newspaper of record" (they claim).

I see Starmer has appeared on Sun TV (yes I never knew such a things existed either) and has spanked Harry Cole who was asking him about representing criminals. (ED that was his job surely at one time?)

Simon

This would be nice. Unless the Telegraph is trying to scare people with something it thinks is bad.

Youngian wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:11 pm Careful now, I see Ed Miliband overcompensating.
A marketeer is someone who knows what you like a few weeks before you do. Especially highly paid ones working for a multinational.

To be fair he focused more on the price of the kit.

I know this stuff is ten a penny, but this stuff is special. Opposition in "changing policy after a defeat shock". By this logic Jeremy Corbyn broke promises Ed Milliband made.. And as ever Labour's grassroots support for a second referendum is elided to "Starmer".

And here's another. It's not interesting, no. He said when conditions allow- which so far as it means anything means within fiscal rules. With bonus Tony Benn quote BTL. Doubtless someone was telling Attlee this when he supported rearmament.

Famously only racist Brexit goons care about Defence.

I'll stop now.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:30 pm And here's another. It's not interesting, no. He said when conditions allow- which so far as it means anything means within fiscal rules. With bonus Tony Benn quote BTL. Doubtless someone was telling Attlee this when he supported rearmament.

Ironically it’s the same position he took on the green bill.

Yes, good point.

And as others have pointed out, the reason they do this with Defence is that the Tories aren't going to put "Labour to waste your money on Defence" on the leaflet.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:33 pm Famously only racist Brexit goons care about Defence.

Of course they're trying to appeal to those people. Because those people are the people who decide elections.

Those are the "Wall of Gammon" meme put together of angry Kippers from the Question Time audience, I think. I think Labour's probably resigned to Reform getting their votes.

Anyway, I thought the mistake of 2019 was that "Starmer" made the party disrespect Northern Brexit voters. But it's wrong for them to go after... Northern Brexit voters now, is it?

This was harsh in the first place, as was Andy McDonald losing the whip. Not a particular fan of these MPs, but not really any problem with them still being MPs.

Good post here on the "£46bn black hole" Labour attack. I didn't really get why Labour was spending so much time on it, but it's a very good attack.

Of course, Hunt probably didn't mean this- probably meant raise other taxes instead, and there are certainly political arguments for that. But he didn't say that. He just wanted credit for his plan to abolish NI without spellig out the trade off. And if you do that, people are entitled to bring it up. Until you reply with your answer (probably that income tax has to go up by the amout NI is cut). Then the Opposition have you on "smoke and mirrors, give with one hand, take with the other".