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Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 7:41 pm
by Youngian
All of Chomsky’s analyses align with his leftist ideology, what are the chances of that happening to a critical thinker?

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2023 5:26 pm
by Abernathy
https://labourlist.org/2023/08/keir-sta ... tionalism/

‘Keir Starmer must honour his promise to stamp out factionalism’

F.F.S.
1. “Factionalism” is a two-way street.
2. Keir Starmer can only “stamp out factionalism” if these fuckwits stop behaving factionally and forming themselves into factions.
3. Mish Raman is indeed an NEC member, but he is thankfully one of the last ones to have got himself there with the votes of Momentum members and other Trot factionalists.
4. Mish Raman may not have succeeded in making any shortlists principally due to his role in this shameful episode in the chronicle of anti-semitism under Corbyn : https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 11061.html

Melissa Heywood is here (note: writing “in a personal capacity”) displaying a level of self-awareness akin to that of Nadine Dorries. Mind you, Keir Starmer does at least seem to be keeping his promise to “stamp out factionalism” by kicking Trot factionalists out of the party. Neil Kinnock famously got this right. Starmer is simply following suit.

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2023 5:53 pm
by Andy McDandy
Shades of Death of Stalin there, where factionalism means any disagreement.

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2023 5:53 pm
by Youngian
The latter explains the former.
I again urge Keir Starmer to make good on his promise to end factionalism within our party so that we can all turn our focus wholeheartedly to defeating the real enemy – the Conservatives

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 4:54 pm
by davidjay
You know what they say about Centrists sabotaging St Jeremy? I can't remember anything like this:


Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 4:58 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
He's not a well man...

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 10:05 pm
by The Weeping Angel
Just a former senior advior to Corbyn openly advocating against trade union support for Ukraine

https://labourlist.org/2023/09/why-unio ... st-russia/
Last year GMB general secretary Gary Smith persuaded the TUC Congress to vote, shamefully if narrowly, to campaign for increased military spending.

At a time of austerity and a cost-of-living crisis, that decision prioritised the arms industry over the vital interests of millions of working people, not least the tens of thousands of GMB members in the beleaguered public services.

It also revealed that Smith believes that the British government can be trusted with more weapons, despite overwhelming evidence that they are used either for wars of aggression or for sale to despotic regimes.

This year, Smith and the GMB are looking to push Congress into support for open-ended war against Russia, lining up with the most right-wing forces in Britain and internationally.

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:05 am
by mattomac
Or showing solidarity with a country and it’s people who have been subjected to a hostile invasion by a foreign government.

I thought we used to be all about international solidarity or like Racism do we now pick and choose like some on the far left continue to do.

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:06 am
by Killer Whale
I think the reference was to lapsed aristocrat Andrew Murray rather than Smith. Could have been clearer, though.

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:48 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Hopefully the Ukraine drivel has fucked most of this part of the left for the foreseeable.

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2023 7:04 pm
by Abernathy
Had a bit of another run-in on Facebook with a couple of random Trots. I ended up just blocking the cunts. They are so bovinely stupid. Not a single one of them can address cogently the empirical, undeniable fact that Labour has not won a general election since 2005, suffered its worst defeat since 1935 only 4 years ago, and has to get hundreds of thousands of people who voted Tory at that election to vote Labour instead this time just to achieve a single seat majority. They all want the Labour Party they’d like instead of the one that we’ve actually got. And they trot (pun intended) out that utterly absurd “argument” that Labour, or “Starmer’s Labour”, is no different from the Tories. What total, unadulterated SHITE. If we don’t make sure that we win this election (which is what Starmer is engaged, successfully thus far, on doing), then all your feelgood socialist principles shouted from the rooftops aren’t worth a gallon of warm pish.

Sorry guys. They riled me up a bit today, and I felt the need to vent. Thanks for listening.

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 3:26 pm
by Abernathy
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... z47L8BFYZU

Exclusive: Russell Brand Dropped From Jeremy Corbyn And Len McCluskey's Poetry Book

:lol:

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 3:41 pm
by Andy McDandy
There once was a big waste of paper
Aimed at your hard left barrel scraper
But a page got ripped out
As they could do without
Contributions from an alleged raper

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:01 pm
by Dalem Lake
I do like the opening sentence of the book's description on Amazon
Jeremy Corbyn and Len McCluskey collaborated to help achieve the biggest electoral success for socialism in recent British history.
:lol:

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:50 pm
by Andy McDandy
Kids, remember that any number multiplied by zero is still zero.

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 3:48 pm
by kreuzberger
My admiration for the next generation is way more than sneaking.

Exhibit A: Manchester, today.

Image

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:44 pm
by davidjay
Yes but... Stalin killed more than Hitler.

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:34 am
by mattomac
Dalem Lake wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:01 pm I do like the opening sentence of the book's description on Amazon
Jeremy Corbyn and Len McCluskey collaborated to help achieve the biggest electoral success for socialism in recent British history.
:lol:
An 80 seat majority for Boris Johnson, yes what an achievement.

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2023 6:29 pm
by Crabcakes
Dalem Lake wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:01 pm I do like the opening sentence of the book's description on Amazon
Jeremy Corbyn and Len McCluskey collaborated to help achieve the biggest electoral success for socialism in recent British history.
:lol:
If they’re referring to Jez getting the job of leader, then fair enough. But I suspect they are more likely continuing to claim they ‘won the argument’

Re: Trot Watch

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:01 pm
by Abernathy
What Momentum thinks of the Shadow Chancellor’s conference address.

About ime these fucking wankers were chucked out tthe party for good.