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Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:52 am
by Watchman
Or on his missing Whats-App

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:18 am
by Malcolm Armsteen
The Supreme Court unanimously confirms the Appeal Court decision that the Rwanda policy is unlawful.


Fucking A

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:43 am
by Youngian
So much political capital invested in performative cruelty with no practical benefit. Now in the bin along with Braverman.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:03 am
by Malcolm Armsteen
Amnesty International nails it:
This judgment is vital to protect people seeking asylum in this county, but the government must now draw a line under a disgraceful chapter in the UK’s political history.
The deal with Rwanda – a country with a track record of serious human rights violations, including arbitrary detention, torture and the repression of free speech – was massively ill-conceived and cruel.
It’s now time for the government and the new home secretary to not only abandon the idea of doing a deal with Rwanda, but to scrap the underlying policy of refusing to process people’s asylum claims and the Illegal Migration Act that has entrenched that dismal policy.
This policy has made complete chaos of the UK’s asylum system and this shameful deal has simply exacerbated the mess.
The only responsible, effective and decent response to this judgement should be to get down to the serious task of fairly and efficiently determining people’s claims.
The idea that the UK should withdraw from the European convention to pursue this failed policy is nonsensical and should be immediately binned. The government should make policies which fit with the law, not fit the law around their policies.
(My emphasis)

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:08 am
by Youngian
Like a rolling news service correspondent on a furnace hot news day.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:13 am
by Malcolm Armsteen
I was about to go out, but now I'm stopping in for PMQs...

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:17 am
by Malcolm Armsteen
Simon Clarke MP on Sky:

the law must be subservient to the will of parliament.

Or, as we might put it, fascism/authoritarian government.


>edit<
Clarke is a committed Borisite. A nutter, in other words. Says this is a 'confidence issue' for Ricky. Will be putting in a letter if R doesn't pull out of ECHR. He also claims to be agoraphobic, which makes the career choices he has made rather strange...

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:18 am
by Tubby Isaacs
Any sign of Priti Patel? This was her scheme.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:19 am
by Tubby Isaacs
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:17 am Simon Clarke MP on Sky:

the law must be subservient to the will of parliament.

Or, as we might put it, fascism/authoritarian government.
Parliament voted to join the ECHR and incorporate it into UK Law, Simon.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:22 am
by Tubby Isaacs
So do they just write off all the money or send some people there while they’re being processed for asylum in the UK? That would be legal, I should think.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:23 am
by Malcolm Armsteen
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:19 am
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:17 am Simon Clarke MP on Sky:

the law must be subservient to the will of parliament.

Or, as we might put it, fascism/authoritarian government.
Parliament voted to join the ECHR and incorporate it into UK Law, Simon.
And, as the Supreme Court specifically noted, several other binding international conventions which make this policy illegal.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:43 am
by Youngian
Including a UN convention on refugees that Thatcher signed. International treaty law wasn’t central to this judgement. ‘Europe Europe, blah, blah!’

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:10 pm
by Youngian
Don’t any of Swellin’s supporters have a STEMs degree?


Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:49 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Ha ha ha.

Somebody took Suella's "notwithstanding" seriously.
Danny Kruger, co-chair of the New Conservatives group, which represents socially conservative MPs pushing for lower immigration and tax cuts, said the government should legislate immediately to assert UK sovereignty.

Speaking after meeting other MPs to discuss the supreme court judgment this morning, he called for legislation to override the ECHR.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:00 pm
by Abernathy
A grid of shit sounds pretty horrible. Bit impractical, though. How would you get all the shit to stick together in the form of a grid ?

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:11 pm
by Crabcakes
Depending on the size of the holes in the grid, also potentially very easy to dodge the shit entirely. So in a sense completely in keeping with the Braverman camp - a load of spiteful, nasty-sounding threats, but on the most basic of analysis it turns out to be ill thought through cobblers because the people who did the thinking are all, without exception, as thick as a polyfilla milkshake.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:48 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
Abernathy wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:00 pm A grid of shit sounds pretty horrible. Bit impractical, though. How would you get all the shit to stick together in the form of a grid ?
Bristol Type 2 and superglue.

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:00 pm
by Youngian
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:48 pm
Abernathy wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:00 pm A grid of shit sounds pretty horrible. Bit impractical, though. How would you get all the shit to stick together in the form of a grid ?
Bristol Type 2 and superglue.
The Great Egg Race for our times

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:10 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
Surely that's Type 1?

Re: Suella Braverman

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:36 pm
by soulboy
Professor Heinz Wolf? A bit too forrin I'm afraid