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We certainly need answers about who paid for the trip, what briefings were there with the Foreign Office before and after, and if there were not, then the PM and Chief Whip have to take action. Did the Foreign Secretary know of this trip? If yes when? If they don’t this is akin to Chamberlain conducting foreign policy with Italy via his sister as happened in 1938 which led to Eden’s resignation.

slilley wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 11:08 am We certainly need answers about who paid for the trip, what briefings were there with the Foreign Office before and after, and if there were not, then the PM and Chief Whip have to take action. Did the Foreign Secretary know of this trip? If yes when? If they don’t this is akin to Chamberlain conducting foreign policy with Italy via his sister as happened in 1938 which led to Eden’s resignation.

All we need to know is whether her meetings were minuted.
If not, she's "off on manoeuvres".

Also check whether the trip was planned through the parliamentary travel office.
Which anything official should be.

To a certain extent “ who paid” is a side issue. At the end of the day, I feel it boils down to the fact that she has no brief to represent GB in diplomatic and foreign policy, particularly in a region that is volatile, for that alone she should no longer be an MP. She is in paid employment and her actions represent gross misconduct

Watchman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 1:25 pm To a certain extent “ who paid” is a side issue. At the end of the day, I feel it boils down to the fact that she has no brief to represent GB in diplomatic and foreign policy, particularly in a region that is volatile, for that alone she should no longer be an MP. She is in paid employment and her actions represent gross misconduct

My point about minutes meetings leans on Patel's undoing.

If she's there on official business, there'll be a document trail.
Not necessarily one for public consumption, but evidence that foreign office people were in on the trip.

Even with that in place, there's a very difficult question: Why wasn't an MP from the foreign office dong this mission?

It very much looks like an MP ignoring their constituents, and official government policy , and freelancing.
Dangerous stuff, and on whose say-so.

Back in the age of sail there was the defence of privateering to avoid the noose.
(A sort of seaborne, and internationally accepted mercenary trade).
That had to be supported with "letters of marque" issues by the employing government.
No letter, no government business, and it's piracy.

Braverman has serious questions to answer.
Questions that our "free and fearless" press appear scared to ask.
It reflect extremely poorly on Sunak - who seems to have given up.

Another fuck-up

Braverman dropping Windrush measures was unlawful, court told
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... SApp_Other

Ha ha ha. Who writes this stuff? The intern?

She's bonkers. Can you imagine being in the passenger seat while she is trying to negotiate heavy traffic?

Denis Healey's first law of holes : When you're in one, stop digging.

She's probably got off lightly here that we're talking about the prose.

The message of "we should have got rid of Sunak but it's too late" is quite the rallying call for the General Election. It's a shame the prose reads so badly that Labour can't put it on a poster.

I'd love to know how Braverman got a late invite onto Laura Kuenssberg's show this morning. She wasn't on the original list of guests published yesterday and the show already had two Tory MPs booked in.

I think it's not impossible that she does this in the General Election either. "A vote for the Conservatives isn't a vote for Rishi Sunak", that sort of thing. She ought to be booted out of the party. See how running for Reform goes.

satnav wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 1:27 pm I'd love to know how Braverman got a late invite onto Laura Kuenssberg's show this morning. She wasn't on the original list of guests published yesterday and the show already had two Tory MPs booked in.

Presumably because of her article. I know we expect it from her, but it's still quite the thing.

satnav wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 1:27 pm I'd love to know how Braverman got a late invite onto Laura Kuenssberg's show this morning. She wasn't on the original list of guests published yesterday and the show already had two Tory MPs booked in.

All the other Tories are busy making excuses for their defeat and (publicly) standing firm behind Sunak, as such Baverman offers an alternative voice. Her message can the summarised as, "It's all Sunak's fault because he's not right wing enough, we must stick with Sunak".

It remains to be seen how, (effects Jane Godley voice), "See? Ah fuckin' telt yeh!" would go down with the selectorate.

Her message can the summarised as, "It's all Sunak's fault because he's not right wing enough, we must stick with Sunak".

If Andy Street held on, it would have dampened the further right narrative. But he didn’t so loons like Braverman are on the march. Carry on.

Youngian wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 4:50 pm

Her message can the summarised as, "It's all Sunak's fault because he's not right wing enough, we must stick with Sunak".

If Andy Street held on, it would have dampened the further right narrative. But he didn’t so loons like Braverman are on the march. Carry on.

The harder Tories fall, the better for her leadership bid in the wake of the election.

Sir Keir might not mind being talked up as a lefty Europhile.

They did this was Blair in the 90s. Even Hestletine at one point went on the Today Programme and banged on about CND. Even lots of their own voters didn't believe it.

satnav wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 1:27 pm I'd love to know how Braverman got a late invite onto Laura Kuenssberg's show this morning. She wasn't on the original list of guests published yesterday and the show already had two Tory MPs booked in.

I've no problem with whatever publicity gets Braverman closer to Tory leader.

Play it on mute and add your own "Downfall" style subtitles.

"Waar is Steiner!!"

The fact is having a "charismatic" leader in Johnson was a major reason for them being in the mess they are in now. I will stick to less exciting and more competent people instead if thats ok.