[Tubby Isaacs]

Cameron's Tories never received any dodgy donations either. He didn't for instance promise no top down reorganization of the NHS, take loads of private health donations, and do the biggest reorganization for 60 years.

[The Weeping Angel]

It's occured to me that if the scandals that had occured under Starmer occured under Cameron how many would have resulted in resignations?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Rushanara Ali wouldn't have gone- I thought actually she had a defence that she tried to sell the house, but the market deteriorated, so she let it out again, at market rate having (apparently) let it out a long way below that for years. Labour ministers always get pushed much harder to resign. Mandelson of all people had a raw deal when he resigned the second time under Blair.

[mattomac]

Doubt Rayner would to be honest.

Haigh probably wouldn’t have under Johnson to Sunak.

[davidjay]

It's occured to me that if the scandals that had occured under Starmer occured under Cameron how many would have resulted in resignations?

Maybe all of them. From May onwards no chance. Johnson would probably have promoted them.

[The Weeping Angel]

Whilst Starmer has undoubtedly made mistakes in his office it should be remembered he was right about Covid.

[Boiler]

Whilst Starmer has undoubtedly made mistakes in his office it should be remembered he was right about Covid.

And do we all remember the squawking by Sunak about how Labour would have locked us down forever or something?

[Youngian]

Sunak has some questions to answer with his eating out meal subsidy, didn't that spread infection? As if they'd be any other consequence.

[Abernathy]

Thinking about Starmer's apparently piss-poor personal opinion poll ratings - the most unpopular PM since Pitt the Younger, or something - it seems highly likely to me that most - if not all - of the people that respond to these polls take their cue from the overwhelmingly hostile (hostile to Labour, that is) media environment , and just go along with the generalised "Starmer is shit" vibe that is actually created by and maintained by The Daily Mail, the Express, Telegraph, Times, Sun, GB News ,Twitter/X, and so on and so on.

Objectively, Starmer just isn't that bad. He's not great, and doesn't make the pulse race, I will grant you, but as PM, I think he is doing a bloody good job as PM in one of the toughest set of circumstances anybody has ever faced. Labour PMs always face media hostility, it's true. But we shouldn't allow this to run away with us.

[Youngian]

Gordon Brown faced similar absurd disproportionate hostility on a personal as well as on a political level even before he called a bigoted old woman a bigoted old woman.
Stewart Lee once asked his audiences if they'd stopped and thought that Boris Johnson was an actual real mayor not a comedy mascot one while Ken Livingstone does the real work in a crate.
Perhaps that's how you win and hold power faced with the 21st century's increasingly infantilised electorates; put up Coco the Clown for leader while Starmer and Brown do the real work in hiding.