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By Abernathy
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It's uncomplicated : Farage was a lousy racist back then at Dulwich College, and he is still a vile, stinking racist now. He's more covert about it now, because it both enthuses fellow racists, but also repels decent humans who might be thinking of voting for him because they're fed up with the other lot.

What the 28 odd former school contemporaries of Farage have done in coming forward to expose Farage's teenage bigotry and the racist abuse they suffered at his hands is important. Because Nigel Farage wants to be Prime Minister of the UK, and if opinion polling is to be believed, actually stands a plausible chance of doing so, absurdly risible though the very notion of that may be. It forces those decent human voters to consider the question of whether they really want such a man as Prime Minister - a question to which the answer can only be no.
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By Tubby Isaacs
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Alan Sked, one of the very early UKIP people, called Farage out as a very crude racist many years ago. Hopefully this gets some coverage.
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By Boiler
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Abernathy wrote: Sat Dec 06, 2025 2:07 pm It forces those decent human voters to consider the question of whether they really want such a man as Prime Minister - a question to which the answer can only be no.
Unfortunately, I get the impression that the decent are outnumbered by the indecent.
By Oboogie
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Boiler wrote: Sat Dec 06, 2025 3:25 pm
Abernathy wrote: Sat Dec 06, 2025 2:07 pm It forces those decent human voters to consider the question of whether they really want such a man as Prime Minister - a question to which the answer can only be no.
Unfortunately, I get the impression that the decent are outnumbered by the indecent.
They're not outnumbered, but under first past the post, they don't need to be. Farage needs about a third of the electorate to win. Are a third of the population Hitler licking antisemites who get a hard on at tales of Farage making gas noises to Jewish schoolkids? No evidence of that at all. I'd guess it's less than 5% and they'll be shared with YourParty and Galloway. The question is can Farage attract another 25%.
Maybe.
Who are these people? Mostly he attracts the don't knows, the non-voters from 2024, people who think Labour are going to steal their money and give it to other people and, with the collapse of the Tories, the way to stop Labour is to vote Reform. Will these non-voters be so inspired by Farage to bother to vote next time, we shall see. I'm certain the neo- Nazi stuff puts off more than it attracts.
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By Andy McDandy
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From the Daily Mash:
Fuck’s sake, you don’t just have a racist past, you have a racist present, that’s the fucking problem, you unflushed turd in this toilet of a fucking nation! Second, you of all people attacking the BBC? That’s like fucking David Attenborough attacking the BBC! Like the Wombles attacking the BBC! The BBC fucking made you, like the fascist Build-A-Bear cunt that you are, for reasons known only to themselves! Without the BBC you’d be some fucking weirdo standing on a wooden box in a market town on a rainy Saturday blaring bollocks into a megaphone to an audience of fucking zero!
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By Tubby Isaacs
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Oboogie wrote: Sat Dec 06, 2025 4:48 pm

They're not outnumbered, but under first past the post, they don't need to be. Farage needs about a third of the electorate to win. Are a third of the population Hitler licking antisemites who get a hard on at tales of Farage making gas noises to Jewish schoolkids? No evidence of that at all. I'd guess it's less than 5% and they'll be shared with YourParty and Galloway. The question is can Farage attract another 25%.
Maybe.
Who are these people? Mostly he attracts the don't knows, the non-voters from 2024, people who think Labour are going to steal their money and give it to other people and, with the collapse of the Tories, the way to stop Labour is to vote Reform. Will these non-voters be so inspired by Farage to bother to vote next time, we shall see. I'm certain the neo- Nazi stuff puts off more than it attracts.
I think that's a fair summary of lots of Reform voters. But I wouldn't say FPTP is a big problem here. Tactical voting is very easy, even in England. He only wins if parties are too stupid to concentrate on winnable seats, and if voters are too stupid to follow the obvious clue locally of who to vote for. I initially thought the Greens were too far back here and wanted to vote Labour, but 5 seconds walking around the constituency told me who was going for it, and who wasn't.

Under PR, there's a big chance of the Tories and Reform forming a government, like they would have done in 2015.
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By Boiler
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Oboogie wrote: Sat Dec 06, 2025 4:48 pm
Boiler wrote: Sat Dec 06, 2025 3:25 pm
Abernathy wrote: Sat Dec 06, 2025 2:07 pm It forces those decent human voters to consider the question of whether they really want such a man as Prime Minister - a question to which the answer can only be no.
Unfortunately, I get the impression that the decent are outnumbered by the indecent.
They're not outnumbered, but under first past the post, they don't need to be. Farage needs about a third of the electorate to win. Are a third of the population Hitler licking antisemites who get a hard on at tales of Farage making gas noises to Jewish schoolkids? No evidence of that at all.
Yebbut immigrunts. Look how close Reform came to the Tories in many seats in the last GE. It doesn't need much of a swing. Unfortunately, I can't help but feel the Labour landslide was more of a "we're sick of the bloody Tories" vote rather than being the result of considered consideration of the Labour manifesto.
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By Malcolm Armsteen
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Andy McDandy wrote: Sat Dec 06, 2025 5:35 pm From the Daily Mash:
Fuck’s sake, you don’t just have a racist past, you have a racist present, that’s the fucking problem, you unflushed turd in this toilet of a fucking nation! Second, you of all people attacking the BBC? That’s like fucking David Attenborough attacking the BBC! Like the Wombles attacking the BBC! The BBC fucking made you, like the fascist Build-A-Bear cunt that you are, for reasons known only to themselves! Without the BBC you’d be some fucking weirdo standing on a wooden box in a market town on a rainy Saturday blaring bollocks into a megaphone to an audience of fucking zero!
Beautiful.
By Oboogie
#101552
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Sat Dec 06, 2025 5:44 pm
Oboogie wrote: Sat Dec 06, 2025 4:48 pm

They're not outnumbered, but under first past the post, they don't need to be. Farage needs about a third of the electorate to win. Are a third of the population Hitler licking antisemites who get a hard on at tales of Farage making gas noises to Jewish schoolkids? No evidence of that at all. I'd guess it's less than 5% and they'll be shared with YourParty and Galloway. The question is can Farage attract another 25%.
Maybe.
Who are these people? Mostly he attracts the don't knows, the non-voters from 2024, people who think Labour are going to steal their money and give it to other people and, with the collapse of the Tories, the way to stop Labour is to vote Reform. Will these non-voters be so inspired by Farage to bother to vote next time, we shall see. I'm certain the neo- Nazi stuff puts off more than it attracts.
I think that's a fair summary of lots of Reform voters. But I wouldn't say FPTP is a big problem here. Tactical voting is very easy, even in England. He only wins if parties are too stupid to concentrate on winnable seats, and if voters are too stupid to follow the obvious clue locally of who to vote for. I initially thought the Greens were too far back here and wanted to vote Labour, but 5 seconds walking around the constituency told me who was going for it, and who wasn't.

Under PR, there's a big chance of the Tories and Reform forming a government, like they would have done in 2015.
I'm not saying FPTP is a problem, I'm merely pointing out that it's possible to win on a third of the vote outnumbered two to one. We've seen that the electorate can cope with tactical voting, it's worked in the past and can work again.
I remain undecided about PR.
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