[Malcolm Armsteen]

Pour encourager les autres?

[Abernathy]

Not with you, Malc.

[Abernathy]

Christ. It gets worse.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx ... H8bzU5tD1A

Faisal Islam: Mandelson, Darling and the conversation I can't forget

[Malcolm Armsteen]

Not with you, Malc.

Voltaire: 'Dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres (In this country, it is good to kill an admiral from time to time to encourage the others)'.

Candide

[kreuzberger]

Nail him to the fucking wall.

Thank you for attention to this matter.

[Boiler]

This is where Starmer needs to get ahead of Olukemi and Derry Street pronto and see if there's a case now for a criminal prosecution - because Labour's enemies are sharpening their knives.

Starmer has, to his credit, already suggested he loses his peerage but I suspect a LOT of damage has been done.

[Boiler]

Emails released by the US government suggest that Lord Mandelson gave Epstein advance notice of a €500bn bailout from the EU to save the Euro.

In the early hours of 10 May 2010 EU finance ministers agreed the deal amid concerns that a debt crisis in the Greek economy could spread to the wider Eurozone.

The evening before the announcement, Epstein emailed Mandelson to say: "sources tell me 500 b euro bailout , almost complete".

The released documents indicate that Mandelson, who was business secretary and de facto deputy prime minister, replied: "Sd be announced tonight."

Epstein then asked if Mandelson was home and received a reply, saying: "Just leaving No10..will call ".

Can it get any worse?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Not really.

[The Weeping Angel]

[Abernathy]

I wonder whether Mandy thought he’d be secure in his new ambassadorial job because he thought that Trump would never release the evidence from the Epstein files ? I’m guessing he did. Hubris.

This. Is. Fucking. Appalling. Prosecute.

[Spoonman]

This. Is. Fucking. Appalling. Prosecute.

Well Reform and the SNP seem to think it's worth so...

Mandelson reported to police by SNP and Reform after files suggest he sent government information to Epstein

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/clynp40ekrdt

...I'd suggest both parties (especially Reform) must be thinking that any other salacious details from any other released Epstein files won't affect them, otherwise there'd be a shitshow.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I think this is going to be very hard to prosecute, sadly. He’ll just say his sources were unrelated to anything he heard in Government. He was an ex-EU Commissioner. How does anyone prove that this was Government information?

I say sadly because this is going to look like a massive cover up if he’s not prosecuted. And it’ll look even worse for Starmer that he’s the ex-DPP.

[The Weeping Angel]

Do you think he will be forced out over this?

[Boiler]

It's going to be tough for Starmer, certainly.

The worst-case scenario is that he is forced out, yes - but I doubt it.

However, the media will want to fulfil its wet dream of Starmer's head on a pike and will push for it with all its might - "get rid of the Brexit Betrayer" (and worse).

[Abernathy]

Do you think he will be forced out over this?

Well, Darren Jones today said that the government was prepared to pass a simple single line bill removing Mandelson’s peerage, so that’ll happen. There is nothing else for him to be forced out of. Prosecution, as Tubs says, might be more difficult to achieve successfully, but I still think they need to do it anyway.

[Youngian]

Emails released by the US government suggest that Lord Mandelson gave Epstein advance notice of a €500bn bailout from the EU to save the Euro.

In the early hours of 10 May 2010 EU finance ministers agreed the deal amid concerns that a debt crisis in the Greek economy could spread to the wider Eurozone.

The evening before the announcement, Epstein emailed Mandelson to say: "sources tell me 500 b euro bailout , almost complete".

The released documents indicate that Mandelson, who was business secretary and de facto deputy prime minister, replied: "Sd be announced tonight."

Epstein then asked if Mandelson was home and received a reply, saying: "Just leaving No10..will call ".

Can it get any worse?

[Tubby Isaacs]

I think they’d lock Mandelson up in 5 minutes if they could for the full catharsis. But it’ll not be their decision. And the media will make out like it is their decision and that Starmer’s somehow stopped this apparently open and shut case even reaching court.

This shouldn’t be a resignation matter for Starmer. How was he to know? As far as he knew, Mandelson was the former Deputy Prime Minister who’d helped oversee a good recovery from the 2008 Crash.

The Left will be unbearable over this, and will make it symbolic of the whole performance of the government. Like all that investment and labour market reform isn’t happening.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I’m sure what Dan Neidle is talking about there isn’t uncommon. Minister doesn’t like something rest of the government might do. So they get on to some interested parties to let the government know that they won’t have it. I’m sure it happens on the left too. Various union seemed to keep hearing about stuff being watered down. You reckon nobody was giving them heads up?

But you don’t put that in an email, unless you’re happy for it to end up on the front of the FT. Which this one probably has.

[The Weeping Angel]

I like David Henig, but this is overdoing it in my view.



Yes, he shouldn't have been made an ambassador but he never appointed him to the cabinet.

[kreuzberger]

Mandleson has clearly been hung out to d/fry by the Trump-aligned mob. That might prove to be seen as somewhat hasty if Mandy is going to face the full force of the law, or at least, forensic scrutiny.

It is unlikely that he would have been with Epstein in splendid isolation and might just have a story or two to tell.

Buckle up, lads. We are in for the duration.