[kreuzberger]

In other news and just a thought; what did the then Business Secretary and a senior British trade envoy have to do with each other?

[Youngian]

No evidence that Epstein secured boys for gay men so what was Mandelson up to at these parties? Star fucking with the wealthy and powerful I guess.
As O'Brien pointed out this morning, how do you get your head around accepting party invites from Epstein even after he was convicted of pimping kids? Even if you're Joe Nobody.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I think you might see some attempt at a “reformation” from within Labour. A sort of reckoning for “New Labour” for want of a better phrase. Starmer of course is significantly different to New Labour in terms of labour market, housing, industrial policy, nationalisation, and is raising a lot more in tax.

But it might not save him. His judgement with Mandelson was called out by lots of us at the time. But I’ll take that over someone pissing about with borrowing costs and defence.

[Boiler]

Front pages of tomorrow's papers:

https://www.tomorrowspapers.co.uk/

[mattomac]

Suppose one good thing is we won’t see him sticking his oar in on Trump again.

We know who is in those files and we can probably guess a fair bit, thankfully Darling seemed to hold firm. This will explode via a wiki leaks type thing and I really do think Andrew, Fergie and Mandleson will appear small in comparison.

[Boiler]

Mandelson is claiming that outrage about his behaviour is "disproportionate".

[Boiler]

BTL on the Guardian:

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[Boiler]

Depressingly true re: Epstein.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cd9e3nzzw3zo

[Youngian]

Don't know if Hislop is being tongue in cheek as to the reason Starmer appointed Mandelson US ambassador was because he knew Epstein and he knew Trump. But the thought crossed my mind.
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/15WqSGZsuef/

[Boiler]

Mandelson has "stepped down" from the Lords.

[Abernathy]

AKA resigned his peerage. Rather thought he would - kind of had to.

But I don’t think this is the end for the Labour Party, or for the PM. It’s the mess that keeps on fucking things up.

Who could have predicted that that cunt Epstein could have wreaked such havoc seven years after he snuffed it ?

[Boiler]

Who could have predicted that that cunt Epstein could have wreaked such havoc seven years after he snuffed it ?

And why, it would seem, only in Britain but not in America?

[Abernathy]

Apparently, although Mandy is no longer a member of the Lords, he retains the title of “Lord Mandelson” - though he probably won’t be using it. Seems it would require primary legislation to remove the title. No doubt there will be calls for this to be done.

[Boiler]

You've just beat me to posting what I was about to Abers, although I am slightly amused by the idea of Lord Mandelson of Wormwood Scrubs.

I think you said a single-line bill in parliament should do it?

[The Weeping Angel]

Mandelson has been removed from the privy council.

[Tubby Isaacs]

He didn't resign? Ha ha ha.

[The Weeping Angel]

Starmer will probably go over this.

[Boiler]

To be replaced by whom, though?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Starmer will probably go over this.

I think you're right. Lots of Labour MPs have seen a chance to get rid of him and are piling in behind these cover up allegations, when the government has to be very careful about prejudicing possible trials (which everyone wants Mandelson to face). The Met seem to have contacted the Government to make exactly this point.

[mattomac]

Yeah, its a shame but it seems ultimately that people want showmen rather than thoughtful politics.