[Tubby Isaacs]

It's not a breach of contract, is it?

It might be unfair, but it's right to get this right.

[satnav]

I listened to Badenoch being interviewed on the Jeremy Vine show earlier, she was extremely woeful but Jeremy went easy on her rather than calling out her bollox. First he asked her about which courses she would get rid of and she was all over the place. She was unsure about scrapping history as a degree but she defended students studying classics. She was also adamant that courses around designing golf courses could be scrapped because youngsters wishing to learn these skills could learn what they need through an apprenticeship.

She then went on to say that she liked solving problems because she is an engineer. Sadly Jeremy Vine failed to point out that there is a big difference between being an engineer and being a software engineer.

[Tubby Isaacs]

She wasn't a software engineer for very long either. By the time she was 26, she was in consultancy/finance.

This is the most common golf course design qualification.

https://eigca.org/evqgcd-eigca-vocation ... se-design/

It's a 2 year course. This is is what they say about applicants.

Historically, the most successful graduates of this course are:

Graduates of a university degree in a related subject, such as: landscape architecture; physical geography; or civil engineering. Students of these disciplines are well-equipped to grasp the technical terminology and fundamental design process which help make the process of golf course design more intuitive.

Experience in the golf industry, including working in golf course construction, or a trainee-type role with a golf course architect.

She has no idea about this stuff. She just thinks "doesn't sound like one for my kids, so apprenticeship"

[Bones McCoy]

It's never their kids for any of:
* Trades.
* Apprenticeship.
* Military.
* Manual labour.
* Outdoor work or deliveries.


Their kids continue following the degrees in "whatever interests us" followed by and comfy indoor sinecure career path.

[Andy McDandy]

They want university to be a finishing school for rich kids, with a few places for middle class kids to train as doctors and engineers.

[mattomac]

Thing is Nursing and Teaching are two of the more popular degrees at our place these are partially funded by the thousands in relation to business degrees. All this has a knock on affect and they just think off the top of the head never consulting the sector.

[soulboy]

Has anybody fact checked her claim to have been an apprentice? I've not found anything online.

Was she part of a formal apprenticeship program and, if so, at what level and in which subject?

Or is she just referring to having an entry level, dogsbody job? This whole "one-person IT department" is either self-aggrandisement, or an employer that is taking the mickey.

[Bones McCoy]

They want university to be a finishing school for rich kids, with a few places for middle class kids to train as doctors and engineers.

Ignoring that they already have Oxbridge doing precisely that.

[Bones McCoy]

Has anybody fact checked her claim to have been an apprentice? I've not found anything online.

Was she part of a formal apprenticeship program and, if so, at what level and in which subject?

Or is she just referring to having an entry level, dogsbody job? This whole "one-person IT department" is either self-aggrandisement, or an employer that is taking the mickey.

After 30 years at the pointy technology end of IT, I came across a few Kemi types.

Some from non-tech backgrounds who bluffed their way through the entry level stuff.
Some vaguely capable, but never going to master the hard stuff.
Those that were good enough at brownnosing up and punching down quickly crossed over into junior management or HR.
The really capable bullshitters went to marketing or project management.

The marketing ones were the most toxic, making promises to customers that their departments could never deliver.
We still ask why so many IT projects fail in the age of project methods, and massive corporations.
Especially compared to Tommy Flowers and his Post Office team.

[Bones McCoy]

Also, some old words on education.

If you consider education too expensive, examine the cost of ignorance.

[Andy McDandy]

They want university to be a finishing school for rich kids, with a few places for middle class kids to train as doctors and engineers.

Ignoring that they already have Oxbridge doing precisely that.

I once had a guy (Durham graduate) telling me that De Montfort university (where I worked at the time) was not a real university because it ran Media Studies and vocational courses. I replied that both law and medicine are vocational courses.

They'd just close down any post-redbrick institutions, and even with those cut them back to the bare minimum. Hotbeds of lefty ideas and jumped up proles.

[kreuzberger]

Also, some old words on education.

If you consider education too expensive, examine the cost of ignorance.

You end up with things like Brexit and it's costing GBP 90 bn a year.