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By Tubby Isaacs
#110309
It sounded good from the bits I was reading. The trouble with it is that they've wanted to do this stuff already, have been doing it, and nobody's been satisfied because different standards have been put on his government to every other. To use a different issue, they quite reasonably thought when they came in that reducing the costs of 'hotels" (which they did quickly by processing cases again) and phasing them out over the Parliament was OK. They weren't allowed that by the media, and had to try and do it much quicker. I fear that it's probably not possible to go "further faster". There are already not really any redlines on the EU apart from Freedom of Movement, which would be very hard to give up right now. Doesn't make the negotiations go any faster.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#110312
Friday- I'll stand if nobody else does.
Monday- I won't stand.

What a way to piss away a good career. She may have unwittingly saved Starmer too. This is one of the most perplexing political miscalculations I've ever seen. Lots of the MPs who want Starmer gone want Burnham, who isn't in the Commons and couldn't fight a leadership election. They don't want her as an interim.

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By Boiler
#110313
Yep - statement voiced over on WATO.

Maybe a whip withdrawal is in order, pour encourager...
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By Abernathy
#110316
I'm also struggling to understand the point of what West is trying to achieve. Apparently, her round-robin email says that "your name will not be made public- for now" . But surely the whole point is that you DO need to come out publicly and say you want to change the leader. And who's going to challenge, if she's not going to bother?

West would be as well trying to organise a formal confidence vote through the PLP as in 2016 on Corbyn. She'd get a more accurate picture.
By Oboogie
#110318
It's a hypothetical:

"Do you wish Labour had a popular leader and Labour were polling higher and winning local elections?"
"Yes please!"
*silence*
"So who is it? Who is the saviour that's willing, available and able?"
*tumbleweed*
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By Tubby Isaacs
#110319
"Analysis", no less:
What did Keir Starmer say in ‘last chance’ speech to save his premiership?
Peter Walker
Senior political correspondent
Address was billed as make-or-break amid mounting speculation of a challenge. Has he done enough to hang on?
Yes, there was a lot of passion, and a lot of talk about fighting on. But the only policy offerings were either not new – a youth experience scheme as part of a reset with the EU – or already effectively the case, as with the announcement that British Steel will be nationalised.

If Starmer sceptics in Labour are to be mollified, there is an argument that he needed to produce a Flemish giant-sized rabbit from his metaphorical hat – something to make them sit up and think: oh, maybe this time things are different. But he did not.
Bloke constantly criticized for not showing passion, shows passion. And it's "yeah, it was only passion".
“I take responsibility for not walking away, not plunging our country into chaos as the Tories did time and again,” he said.

This is an argument that many Labour MPs understand and have some sympathy with. But after such a terrible set of election results, many increasingly feel that even a roll of the dice is better than just hanging on for dear life.
Peter Ohanrahanhanrahan.
‘What I want to do is take a big leap forward with the EU-UK summit this year’
One of the more notable elements of Starmer’s speech was his open acceptance that Brexit had left the UK poorer and less secure, the sort of thing even Labour politicians would have been wary about not long ago.

But what does this actually mean, already-announced policies such as the youth experience scheme aside? Possibly not much. Starmer was asked if he might ever shift on his “red lines”, which would block future membership of the EU’s single market and customs union. The answer was vague, but seemed to indicate not.
Did Ed Davey write this question? Customs Union is bullshit, the idea you can get the very close to the Single Market without freedom of movement. They've been briefing "dynamic alignment", which is something pretty different from before, even if it's harder than it sounds. Has Davey called for that?

Anyway, another example where Starmer was urged to say stuff, he says it, and it doesn't matter anyway. Calling Gaza a genocide would be another example of this, no doubt.

Alas no space in this analysis to stress what is the key point to me- Starmer has his opponents in a snooker here. They can't push him out without excluding the most popular choice to succeed him. So he stays, unless he resigns which he isn't going to.

No space either to make the other obvious point- new leader, with loads of new "radical" policies will be under pressure for a general election immediately, and not without justification.

And no space to address the absence of new policy in the speech. Perhaps there's a King's Speech this week or something.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#110320
Abernathy wrote: Mon May 11, 2026 2:06 pm I'm also struggling to understand the point of what West is trying to achieve. Apparently, her round-robin email says that "your name will not be made public- for now" . But surely the whole point is that you DO need to come out publicly and say you want to change the leader. And who's going to challenge, if she's not going to bother?
This is someone trying to play LBJ when they're barely Dan Quayle.

The reaction to her saying she's got the support of loads of people but can't tell you who they are would be a chorus of "Jimmy Hill chinny reckon". And quite rightly. Just like Bozo claiming he had all these MPs who wanted him to fight Sunak for the leadership after Truss.
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By Boiler
#110330
Oboogie wrote: Mon May 11, 2026 2:20 pm It's a hypothetical:

"Do you wish Labour had a popular leader and Labour were polling higher and winning local elections?"
"Yes please!"
*silence*
"So who is it? Who is the saviour that's willing, available and able?"
*tumbleweed*
Nail - > head.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#110333
Yep.

Perhaps not a coincidence that Major was derided at the time, but has been reappraised positively.

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By Tubby Isaacs
#110334
What does this actually mean? What's the opposite of "managerialism"? Jay off The Inbetweeners crashing a motorbike?

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By Andy McDandy
#110336
It was like being on a fantastic fairground ride, centrifugal forces throwing us wider and wider. But it's all right, because there's this brilliant machine at the center that's going to bring us back down to earth. That was Manchester. That is the Hacienda. Now imagine the machine breaks. For a while, it's even better, because you're really flying. But then, you fall, because nobody beats gravity.
Tony Wilson, nailing the alternative to managerialism.
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By Boiler
#110343
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Mon May 11, 2026 5:12 pm What does this actually mean? What's the opposite of "managerialism"? Jay off The Inbetweeners crashing a motorbike?

From that thread:
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Must have missed the bit where GWR's been taken into public ownership then...
By mattomac
#110345
Froze train fares.
Bringing all the companies under public ownership.

He’s just ignoring it isn’t he, I bet the party he supports are promising the moon on a stick and can do no wrong.
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By kreuzberger
#110346
Much of this depends upon what voters define as a "manager". Moreso what is meant by CHANGE, per the 2024 manifesto which few will have read but a promise which still cut through?
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By Abernathy
#110348
It's getting fucking painful now - a slow drip drip drip with the number of MPs apparently wanting Starmer to walk the plank creeping steadily upward and Shabana Mahmood and other cabinet members apparently having told Keir his time is up. It’s nothing short of a disgrace.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#110349
Absolutely. And while the one most of them want isn't even an MP.

What's the plan? The PM says "I accept I'm not up to the job, but can I hang about while we fight a by election and the new guy comes in and then fights a leadership election".

If Cameron had been in trouble before 2015, how would we have reacted if he'd said "Can you wait for Boris to come back from being Mayor of London?"
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By Tubby Isaacs
#110350
mattomac wrote: Mon May 11, 2026 7:49 pm Froze train fares.
Bringing all the companies under public ownership.

He’s just ignoring it isn’t he, I bet the party he supports are promising the moon on a stick and can do no wrong.
It doesn't matter what he says or does for lots of people. They just make shit up.
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