[Oboogie]

The point is the overall universities budget. At present, lots of European students are paying higher rates. If they start paying lower rates, then there's a hole in the budget. Perhaps that can be filled with extra overseas students or something, but I can see why the Government might be demurring on this point.

When I was teaching in FE and HE the breakeven point for a tutor group was 15 UK students. If a couple of the 15 were overseas students we could run with 10 and some cohorts were as small as 5 or 6.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Jess Phillips.

Over a year ago I presented solutions, long worked on by brilliant civil servants that would end the ability for children in the UK to take naked images of themselves. 91% of online child sex abuse is self-generated by children groomed, tricked and exploited in to abuse. The technology exists to stop children being able to take naked images of themselves. We could make this possible on every phone and device in the country. We could stop this abuse. It has taken me a year to get you to agree to even threaten to legislate in this space. Not legislate, just threaten. This is the definition of incremental change. Nothing bold about it. The announcement was meant to be in March, I’m still on a promise this will happen in June, I’ve given up believing it. How many children were left without a safety net in the time we dilly dallied and worried about tech bosses?

Are other countries actually doing this? Would it actually work? Or has it been blocked by "tech bosses" everywhere else?

The Government has been legislating plenty. This strikes me as a case of someone thinking their own thing is the most important, and decks should be cleared.

[The Weeping Angel]

The Observer say it's over for Keir.

[mattomac]

Victims ministry using Hillsborough victims I noted as well it’s all very cheap and tawdry.

Anyone who has kept their powder dry and nose clean (might be a mixed up metaphor) has the right to serve in a future Labour government and cabinet.

Anyone who hasn’t and has A) used it to launch a platform of their own (looks at these renewal people) or done this aren’t Labour and should join reform after all they want to see them win it seems.

[Tubby Isaacs]

The Observer say it's over for Keir.

Probably right.

Well, I guess we await the brilliant solution that all these rebels have. I can't see what it is.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Victims ministry using Hillsborough victims I noted as well it’s all very cheap and tawdry.

Anyone who has kept their powder dry and nose clean (might be a mixed up metaphor) has the right to serve in a future Labour government and cabinet.

Anyone who hasn’t and has A) used it to launch a platform of their own (looks at these renewal people) or done this aren’t Labour and should join reform after all they want to see them win it seems.

Starmer got it more in the neck for trying to bring in a Hillsborough Law with an exemption that wouldn't have affected Hillsborough victims than all the previous governments who didn't bring any such law in.

I give up.

[Boiler]

This strikes me as a case of someone thinking their own thing is the most important, and decks should be cleared.

I used to work with people like that and they rarely take being told they're a low priority in the face of other things well.

[Tubby Isaacs]

This is from LBC’s Aggie Chambre.

Am told a letter is circulating among backbench Labour MPs saying that now is not the time for a leadership election - apparently has been signed by over 100 MPs.

Hmm, maybe he isn't finished quite yet.

Worth recalling that one of the main achievements of (if not the Government) this Labour-majority Parliament, and one very popular with the voters, was the End of Life Bill. This was blocked by what can only be called filibustering in the House of Lords.

It's easy to say this is Starmer's fault for not abolishing the Lords or whatever, but a Lord's elected mid term might equally have blocked it.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I used to work with people like that and they rarely take being told they're a low priority in the face of other things well.

I can imagine.

It's not like the overall agenda isn't proceeding anyway. But saying you've got a law passed sounds more impressive than that you've eg made a change to teacher training that will mean that VAWG gets dealt with better in classrooms up and down the country.

[mattomac]

There does seem a lot of angry members around and after all they decide the next leader especially as unlike a reasonable transfer of power which could have been better argued after another bruising council election and with Burnham a year left in his position.

I do think the hard work hasn’t been done, and frankly anyone taking over now would face a half finished job. I think Labour may have been slow but it was always outlined by Starmer as the case.

Now what this government can achieve won’t achieve and I’m not sure any of the names announced can change that.

I’m not looking at a Steven Reed or Darren Jones to be honest

[mattomac]

As for Burnham,

He has to find a seat.

Fight that seat (without a leader probably) and with Greens or Reform putting everything into it and a Labour membership who aren’t all on board.

Win that seat.

Fight a leadership election (because no one is anointing him not with the actions he has undertaken).

Hope it hasn’t started and if it has he’s allowed on the ballot and if he is, win that seat, because he could easily become leader but can’t become PM (Are we risking this?).

And once he’s hurdled all that, he faces a first big test which is the Mayoral election with the changes about PR not fully implemented. Imagine he then lost that?

[mattomac]

I think I can easily make the prediction that I don’t think any of the 4 mentioned will become the next leader.

And I’m good at making money on this, I might be off to see what the odds are.

As currently my footie team is shit
Work is shit
Mum isn’t well (And I fear Labour staying in power helps this).
And now this.

Can I have some respite from the shit?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Sounds like Burnham may have found a seat. Perhaps the plotters had more of an idea than I thought.

My guess is that the Greens won’t fight too hard.

[mattomac]

Every other bit of that remains though?

Also depends on the seat and who knows what the Greens will do. And how hatchet it will look.

They could have done that on the sly until they had an agreement. Instead all the factions have had a say with their amazing plans which probably don’t work in reality (I’ve read enough decent Fabian Society pamphlets).

Good luck reuniting the party, I wouldn’t vote for him and he faces a challenge no doubt.

[Andy McDandy]

If I were a Green, LD or Refukker, my message in that by-election would be "You know he doesn't give a shit about you - this is just a stepping stone to him?"

[mattomac]

Naked Ambition worked for Johnson but it’s probably the only one I can think it has for….

[The Weeping Angel]

Sounds like Burnham may have found a seat. Perhaps the plotters had more of an idea than I thought.

My guess is that the Greens won’t fight too hard.

Which seat?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Don't think it's been revealed. Might be bollocks.

[Tubby Isaacs]

If I were a Green, LD or Refukker, my message in that by-election would be "You know he doesn't give a shit about you - this is just a stepping stone to him?"

Not sure that's the strongest line for Farage.

[Crabcakes]

My utterly uninformed take:

Based on who is currently shitting the bed, Streeting is aware that he won’t beat Burnham so is trying to get everything happening on a very short timetable before his window shuts.

Rayner is just seeing what happens.

Burnham is clearly aware of what Streeting is up to, so is probably trying to engineer getting back in sooner rather than later.

Starmer? He seems happy to fight on - as he should be. But if he does decide to leave everyone to their own devices, I hope he looks at the wider picture and plays the longer game. I think out of all the current contenders, Burnham has the best chance of winning against Farage. That’s not to say I particularly like Burnham, I just would prefer any Labour govt - majority, minority, coalition or whatever, to anything Reform/Tory.