[Malcolm Armsteen]

"I don't think I can face that, Doc..."

"Well..."

As opposed to what the doctor said to my mother in 1969, when things were in many ways similar and palliative care didn't exist:

"I'm prescribing a very strong painkiller. Be careful with the dosage, too much and he'll go to sleep and never wake up again..."

(I was at the chemists getting the prescription when the district nurse visited, called an ambulance and he had another two weeks of pointless pain and distress.|)

[mattomac]

- What’s the diagnosis, doc?
- I’m afraid it’s not good news. You have a disease that’s going to leave you in agony for months and months
- Oh God. I can’t face that. Anything you can do about the pain?
- Um er did you watch the football last night?

What an absolute nonsense.

It’s also on the assumption no one takes note of the news, those in this position are likely to have sort more information on this.

[Tubby Isaacs]

It's not a good faith intervention. If the doctor can't mention it, and eg the son does, these objectors will try and make out the son is hounding the parent to their death.

[davidjay]

Further news of my mum. She's on end of life care, which could mean days, or weeks, or even longer. She's still eating, talking a bit today, but it's going to happen eventually and apart from my own uncertainty I'm now thinking what a waste of NHS resources it is.

[Tubby Isaacs]

The Guardian informs us 2 Lib Dem MPs have changed sides (from For to Against).

[Tubby Isaacs]

And a couple more Labour MPs may vote against it.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... dying-bill

I see the two straight talking populists changed sides over a non-point. These are the men to take difficult decisions in government.

The Reform UK chief whip, Lee Anderson, and his former party colleague Rupert Lowe withdrew support publicly when the bill’s sponsor, Kim Leadbeater, removed the need for a high court judge to approve each procedure, instead giving this authority to an expert panel.

[Tubby Isaacs]

This MP is a new one on me. It's of course impossible to find doctors who support the bill.

[Crabcakes]

1000 doctors is just under 1/28th of all active GPs in the UK. So even assuming it was only coming from that population, this isn’t exactly an overwhelming consensus.

[Tubby Isaacs]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... leadbeater

UK ‘behind curve’ on assisted dying among progressive nations, says Kim Leadbeater
Exclusive: On eve of Commons vote, MP says legislators may not get another chance to ‘do the right thing’ for 10 years

She's right.

Look who's made her usual distinguished contribution.

Badenoch urged Conservative MPs to vote against the bill, though it remains a free vote. “I’m somebody who has been previously supportive of assisted suicide,” she said. “This bill is a bad bill. It is not going to deliver. It has not been done properly.

“This is not how we should put through legislation like this. I don’t believe that the NHS and other services are ready to carry out assisted suicide, so I’ll be voting no, and I hope as many Conservative MPs as possible will be supporting me in that.”

"Not that assisted dying bill, not there". Quite the admission she left the NHS in the shit though. There's actually a 4 year implementation period, so no, nobody's saying the NHS is doing it next week. I suppose some of the Labour MPs saying palliative care isn't good enough are basically arguing that it's going to be bad in four years, which isn't exactly a good look.