When we look at the regeneration needed around Old Trafford, why would we not say you can have that money, but you need to keep Grangemouth open? That’s just negotiation in my opinion.Nobody has asked for any public money for redeveloping Old Trafford. And Grangemouth's closure was decided before there were any Old Trafford plans. So how could there be any negotiations?
mattomac wrote: ↑Wed Jul 16, 2025 8:30 pm Radcliffe did ask for the funding for a northern national stadiumHe didn’t mention money when the new Norman Foster stadium was announced, but vaguer “support”. The losses at Grangemouth are hundreds of millions a year, think it’s unlikely support is anything like that level.
Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 15, 2025 8:57 pm Haven't seen what regulatory changes Reeves is promising, but our pals at a certain paper have already tried to make them sound really stupid, and "trickle down", which sounds spectacularly unlikely. Trickle down means cutting higher rate taxes. No tax cuts are proposed, as far as I know.You can read it here.
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 9:51 am The tankies have really got the knives out.It’s wider than Tankies. The Guardian knows what it’s doing tapping into these various vibes. Yesterday 19 trees being cut down in a cemetery by a motorway was treated like a major story.
Crabcakes wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:20 am While I think it’s a great move overall in reducing older voter skew, what does concern me is this:All of that may be true of some, but most 16 year olds in my experience have either been pretty serious about politics or just not engaged - not yet matured enough.
1. 16 year olds voting for fucking awful people “for the lols”
2. 16 year olds not being arsed
3. 16 year olds voting for dead end parties bumping up their vote count and encouraging more people to vote for dead end parties in subsequent elections who might otherwise tactically vote, and that scenario meaning someone else sneaks in
Or to put it another way, this really should have been bundled together with some form of PR.
Dear Mom and Dad,
Please stick with me.
I can’t think clearly right now because there is a rather substantial section of my prefrontal cortex missing. It’s a fairly important chunk, something having to do with rational thought. You see, it won’t be fully developed until I’m about 25. And from where I sit, 25 seems a long way off.
My brain is not yet fully developed
It doesn’t matter that I’m smart; even a perfect score on my math SAT doesn’t insulate me from the normal developmental stages that we all go through. Judgement and intelligence are two completely distinct things.
And, the same thing that makes my brain wonderfully flexible, creative and sponge-like also makes me impulsive. Not necessarily reckless or negligent but more impulsive than I will be later in life.
So when you look at me like I have ten heads after I’ve done something “stupid” or failed to do something “smart,” you’re not really helping.
You adults respond to situations with your prefrontal cortex (rationally) but I am more inclined to respond with my amygdala (emotionally). And when you ask, “What were you thinking?” the answer is I wasn’t, at least not in the way you are. You can blame me, or you can blame mother nature, but either way, it is what it is.
Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:19 amWhat's their end goal exactly?Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 9:51 am The tankies have really got the knives out.It’s wider than Tankies. The Guardian knows what it’s doing tapping into these various vibes. Yesterday 19 trees being cut down in a cemetery by a motorway was treated like a major story.
There’s a feed back loop of “local campaigners”, think tanks, academicsand journalists who all reinforce each other. The think tanks are open about their funding, unlike on the right, and the academics are cuddlier but the dynamic is in some ways similar. The upshot is nobody is interested in details. The narrative is all.
16 year olds voting for fucking awful people “for the lols”I recall there were a number of young people who voted for Brexit "to shake things up a bit".
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