[The Weeping Angel]

Damn, now she can go play martyr.

[davidjay]

She can play whatever she wants. She'll go down as one of the biggest wastes in Labour history.

[Oboogie]

Good, now she can no longer damage Labour.

[Tubby Isaacs]

How much clearer could that letter of hers actually have been? She replied to someone else saying that Jews and travellers experienced racism with "it's like having ginger hair, they didn't have to sit at the back of a bus".

[Oboogie]

How much clearer could that letter of hers actually have been? She replied to someone else saying that Jews and travellers experienced racism with "it's like having ginger hair, they didn't have to sit at the back of a bus".

She's already apologised for it. Sort of. She claimed it was an unchecked draft (except she had a week's cooling off period before publication date).
Now she says she meant it.
Is she lying now or when she apologised, because they can't both be true.

It's Trumpian.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I see Owen Jones is already doing the football supporter approach to politics and saying she shouldn't be suspended because she was talking about lived experience.

What does she know about Jewish lived experience? Jews look white if you see them strolling round town, unless they're orthodox. But if they have the temerity to attend a synagogue, a Jewish school, or stick up a sign with their name on it outside a business they own, then they're instant less white.

[Oboogie]

I see Owen Jones is already doing the football supporter approach to politics and saying she shouldn't be suspended because she was talking about lived experience.

What does she know about Jewish lived experience? Jews look white if you see them strolling round town, unless they're orthodox. But if they have the temerity to attend a synagogue, a Jewish school, or stick up a sign with their name on it outside a business they own, then they're instant less white.

It's more than that, Diane Abbott has never been made to sit at the back of a bus so it's not her lived experience either, it's something she's read about - the same as the rest of us.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I'm sure she has lived experience of racism. But as you say, she's read about bus segregation. She can read about pogroms and the Holocaust while she's about it.