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So what is “the left” that TWA is apparently so disillusioned with ?

Do we have a consensual definition?

I see the left in this sense as being the people constantly sticking it to Starmer. They know very well that It takes more than one budget to sort out waiting lists, and actually don't care that they're coming down. There's the Corbyn types, but also a "Remainer" strain to it, perhaps combined in the Green Party.

It's deeply annoying.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 14, 2025 6:35 pm So what is “the left” that TWA is apparently so disillusioned with ?

Do we have a consensual definition?

Surely only TWA can tell us that?

I call them the far left….

I don’t think they should be anywhere near government like their ideological enemies who they never actually seem to fight, those on the far right.

The Weimar Republic is a great example.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Thu Aug 14, 2025 1:22 pm One thing that I'm particularly irritated about with the proper left is the lack of recognition for the progressive stuff the Government has done. Workers rights and the minimum wage don't get mentioned at all. The industrial policy is never mentioned, which is something that the left has claimed to care a lot about before. The tax rises on the wealthy, done in the teeth of opposition from the rightwing press (who Labour are apparently terrified of) are just treated as nothing because "£24bn wealth tax".

That is in part why I feel disillusioned with the left, stuff they made a big deal of now suddenly dropped, forgotten, or just dismissed out of hand. Next month, in all likelihood, the government will recognise Palestine. This is something that people have been calling for and will likely be followed through with, and yet I can guarantee that it will be dismissed out of hand and people will say Starmer is only doing this to get out of being put on trial for war crimes.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 14, 2025 6:35 pm So what is “the left” that TWA is apparently so disillusioned with ?

Do we have a consensual definition?

Pretty much what Tubbs said

I see the left in this sense as being the people constantly sticking it to Starmer. They know very well that It takes more than one budget to sort out waiting lists, and actually don't care that they're coming down. There's the Corbyn types, but also a "Remainer" strain to it, perhaps combined in the Green Party.

It's deeply annoying.

I see. Don't really get why you're casting yourself as "disillusioned" with these characters, though. Personally speaking, I've never been under any illusions about them at any point. And I prefer to call them Trots rather than "the left". Much less vague.