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Youngian wrote: ↑Thu Sep 11, 2025 5:23 am Starmer’s Trump grovelling has gone well beyond the call of duty.

Give your head a wobble.

Charlie Kirk didn’t get what he deserved, because no one deserves that sort of horrific death. He did, however, get what he openly thought other people deserved. So his death and the manner of it should be no more than a stark reminder that his aims and goals in life were abhorrent - and that his life and work should in no way celebrated or sanitised simply because of the manner of its ending. And those such as Johnson who stood up and applauded what he said others should be subject to, but are horrified by his killing, are at absolute best hypocrites of the most obnoxious nature.

My sympathy extends no further than to his family.

Quite. It is possible to condemn political assassination and express condolences to the bereaved without endorsing the views and statements of the victim.

And on that note:

See also:

Quick browse of r/Conservative (on that there Reddit, m'lud) and it's really, really hard not to feel like you're watching a bunch of absolute hypocrites.

Well, that's normally what one feels. But I've seen many posts bemoaning the loss of someone they admired (fine, until we read the above), and thinking how awful this must be for the family (of course, terrible), from the same voices that say not a fucking word about school shootings other than 'shame, prayers, next' or one iota about any Republican violence (because, of course, this is already pegged as 'the Left', and probably even Trans [they're utterly convinced/utterly cynically don't give a shit and use this idea, that trans people are not only morally degenerate, but also incredibly violent. They repeatedly seed this idea based on a tiny minority of cases, over and over again], and thus it's totally understood before any solid information other than a shooting and its immediate violent result is received).

January 6th was a tourist day out, Sandy Hook was 'oh well', this is a gargantuan tragedy. Etc.

One can be sure of this because r/conservative is one of the most heavily moderated, 'on message' sub-Reddits I've ever seen. The rugged individualist free speech champions are so utterly fucking terrified of alternative thought they regularly cull hundreds of comments and threads with abandon.

So it is all boiling down to a moderately telegenic, howling bigot who rehearsed his best lines on micro-dosed meth in front of his mum's bathroom mirror.

Good guy? Nah, what a wank.

Considered opinion is that there's never a bad time to remind Caesar that he's mortal.

Someone we'd have never heard of without social media. I miss those days.

RedSparrows wrote: ↑Thu Sep 11, 2025 5:40 pm Quick browse of r/Conservative (on that there Reddit, m'lud) and it's really, really hard not to feel like you're watching a bunch of absolute hypocrites.

Well, that's normally what one feels. But I've seen many posts bemoaning the loss of someone they admired (fine, until we read the above), and thinking how awful this must be for the family (of course, terrible), from the same voices that say not a fucking word about school shootings other than 'shame, prayers, next' or one iota about any Republican violence (because, of course, this is already pegged as 'the Left', and probably even Trans [they're utterly convinced/utterly cynically don't give a shit and use this idea, that trans people are not only morally degenerate, but also incredibly violent. They repeatedly seed this idea based on a tiny minority of cases, over and over again], and thus it's totally understood before any solid information other than a shooting and its immediate violent result is received).

January 6th was a tourist day out, Sandy Hook was 'oh well', this is a gargantuan tragedy. Etc.

One can be sure of this because r/conservative is one of the most heavily moderated, 'on message' sub-Reddits I've ever seen. The rugged individualist free speech champions are so utterly fucking terrified of alternative thought they regularly cull hundreds of comments and threads with abandon.

Some of the above is reflected in an interview Evan Davis had with the chairman of the Young Republicans of Texas on PM this afternoon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002j759 - from 47:23 in.

I just wonder if Kirk's family feel his death was a price worth paying for the Holy Second Amendment.

Davis, doubtless branded as a Liberal Sodomite, was too timid to interview this toilet of a human being. It's hardly any wonder, given their strategy of summarily executing their opponents.

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Thu Sep 11, 2025 9:25 pm Davis, doubtless branded as a Liberal Sodomite, was too timid to interview this toilet of a human being. It's hardly any wonder, given their strategy of summarily executing their opponents.

No, you've got it all wrong Kreuzy - it's the Godless Lefties that do all the killing...

Helpful.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... k-shooting

The best comment I've read on this subject is: "I don't support what happened to Charlie Kirk, but he did"

Meanwhile some MAGA are very open about their strategy.

And what a surprise - the shooter is a straight, white, cis male gun nut, the son of a sheriff and a pastor and from a Republican family, hung out on places like 4chan, and is right wing but just didn’t like Kirk.

And the “trans ideology” engraved on the bullets was the letters TRA, which is the manufacturer’s stamp.

A domestic terrorist called T. Robinson - who'd a thunk it?

Has Trump granted him immunity from prosecution yet?

Most left and liberals in the US would put money on the killer being a Trump supporting gun nut but weren't dumb enough to shout about it until the evidence emerged.

Farage seemed to have some special knowledge of the killer up there. Did he tell the FBI?