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Better than giving a tax freebie to people who can shove 20k in an ISA every year.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 7:41 pm

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 6:21 pm

Red Tory bastards.

Be interesting to see the budgeting for this. Do they see the new structure saving money? Probably a bit early for that, though it would be nice if they could show some improvement like this. Or is it paid for by less investment? Which would be less positive.

I look forward to the utter meltdown if the rail fare freeze is funded by at least a partial restoration of fuel duty to pre-2022 levels.

WAR ON TEH MOTORIST!!!1!one!

mattomac wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 11:26 pm Better than giving a tax freebie to people who can shove 20k in an ISA every year.

Reeves made a suggestion of changing it so that the full amount applied to stocks only, and Martin Money opposed it. So all hell will break loose if this in the budget. Apparently people want pro-growth reforms, which this probably would be, but not like that.

I may have said this before, about a hundred times, but very small village primary schools mostly for the kids of very well off people seem to escape the annual round of efficiency savings. (In fairness to Reeves, that's councils, not her)

Warren is keeping it positive. I keep hearing that the Government came in without any plans, having "had 14 years" to have all sorts of stuff ready to go. But you can't really have something like this sorted from opposition, and I think that's true of lots of stuff.

It's not really feasible for the Opposition to have the equivalent of the Civil Service on hand, and even if you did, how would you get the experts you need to contribute? There's lots of stuff happening on reducing infrastructure costs, which every says they want, but all they get in return is "war on nature", "corporate lobbying".

I don't exactly recall people saying the Tories had 13 years to prepare for government back in the early 2010s.

No, that was all "situation deteriorating by the second, act now, or be like Greece".

Well there is a whole library on how Labour's red wall is crumbling and never again will they win seats in certain areas

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 11:05 am Warren is keeping it positive. I keep hearing that the Government came in without any plans, having "had 14 years" to have all sorts of stuff ready to go. But you can't really have something like this sorted from opposition, and I think that's true of lots of stuff.

It's not really feasible for the Opposition to have the equivalent of the Civil Service on hand, and even if you did, how would you get the experts you need to contribute? There's lots of stuff happening on reducing infrastructure costs, which every says they want, but all they get in return is "war on nature", "corporate lobbying".

I don't mind Warren, Labour should give him a job its the only person who I see ever write anything positive about them.

I like him too. Warren may be the sole reason I mostly approve of the government. If I depended on the supposed progressive media and pressure groups, I'd be thinking "well, better than the Tory cuts, but...". A particular bugbear of mine is the tendency to get a load of people with their own particular areas in to comment. These people invariably claim the budget is a "missed opportunity to deal with the real issues", at the very best. Usually it's "this will decimate my sector which needs certainty".

I'll make a prediction that such a "panel" gets put together tomorrow. I will react with the same disdain as now. Unless there's someone talking about capital investment in Wales, who will almost certainly be right that the budget is a missed opportunity, even if I wish it weren't.

I wonder what Edwin Hayward makes of this. Deluded Starmer Not Taken Seriously By EU Because He's Backed Trump, I should think.

He'll probably bang on about Gaza or something else.

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 5:38 pm He'll probably bang on about Gaza or something else.

Eh?

What Trump defines as “something good” won’t be much to cheer about. Russia should be presented with a one point peace plan; Remove yourself from occupied Ukrainian territory and fuck off back to Russia.

Over on Fenton's blog, I see his pet tankie has now gone full-on pro-Russia, "Ukrainian Nazis" etc.

This is positive news. The Guardian's got a negative angle though.

DWP to reassess hundreds of thousands of cases in carer’s allowance scandal
Damning official review finds many unpaid carers left with huge debt because of government failure

Hundreds of thousands of vulnerable unpaid carers will have their cases reassessed after a damning official review concluded they had been left with huge debts because of government failure and maladministration.

The review, due to be published on Tuesday, was triggered after a year-long Guardian investigation revealed how carers had been hit with draconian penalties of as much as £20,000 relating to carer’s allowance. Some were plunged into hardship, others were jailed.

Ministers have promised to cancel or reduce penalties that were wrongly issued after the review concluded many were the result of official error rather than “wilful rule-breaking”.

However, the government has stopped short of offering compensation to those affected. It is understood compensation was both considered by the review and by ministers but is not one of the published recommendations of the review, headed by disability policy expert Liz Sayce.

There's certainly. case for compensation, but there are so many cases that it would be very expensive. By contrast, 1,000 people were directly impacted by the Post Office scandal.

Good example of the constant snarkiness the Government has to put up with, from Alan Beattie of the FT. Says that this is a "feeble" tax rise, and then moans about it being done "quietly". Plus the usual "I definitely know what happened", to be no doubt distinguished from all the other people who definitely knew what was in the Budget.

It's one thing to think that they should "just raise income tax FFS", but that doesn't mean that the other tax rises are all bad. Not to mention he's complaining here that one of them hasn't gone far enough.

Reeves’s plan to cut cash Isa limit could raise mortgage rates, say finance bosses
Building societies fear consumers will be put off from saving if chancellor’s budget announces a 40% reduction

Headline on the Guardian.

Subheading should be "literally nothing should be changed ever, especially if it's a freebie to people with lots of disposable income"

Ah hang on, Alan Beattie is talking about the earlier government. Apologies to him.

Tourist tax coming in, at discretion of mayors.

“Tax on our cities”

Like the rest of Europe.

mattomac wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 2:32 pm I don't mind Warren, Labour should give him a job its the only person who I see ever write anything positive about them.

Likewise, he an Phil Moorhouse aka A Different Bias should be running Labour's media/comms team, the current team make YourParty look sleek and dynamic.