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Not the sugar tax.

Hopefully, tomorrow the sky hasn't fallen in.

If Tom-Tit's sky falls in, I will be more than delighted. He is such a seamen-sticky twat, he really is.

Another Guido Fawkes product.

mattomac wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 6:39 pm “Tax on our cities”

Like the rest of Europe.

"Berlin-style"

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 10:47 pm If Tom-Tit's sky falls in, I will be more than delighted. He is such a seamen-sticky twat, he really is.

Even if it hasn't he will claim it has.

Well thanks to those idiots at the OBR the budget has been leaked.

Seems thresholds will be frozen, doesn't much effect me so I am ok with that and frankly it won't effect me even if I was to get any job I am applying for. Unless I am totally reading it wrongly.

As for the OBR it does really seem like Sabotage at this moment by certain areas of wider government that are quasi independent (Prisoner releases).

Two child cap to be lifted.

Probably one of those budgets that when I stick it in a calculator I will be about 2.60 better or worse off. I can live with that. I'll dip in later, Badenoch moaning when her government caused most of the problems we have seems a little brass neck.

I reckon this was done deliberately to undermine Reeves.

It's a bog-standard WordPress site, where content can be manually scheduled for publication, or you have a plugin do it automatically.

Either which way, a human will have needed to specify the date and time.

mattomac wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:11 pm Seems thresholds will be frozen, doesn't much effect me so I am ok with that and frankly it won't effect me even if I was to get any job I am applying for. Unless I am totally reading it wrongly.

As for the OBR it does really seem like Sabotage at this moment by certain areas of wider government that are quasi independent (Prisoner releases).

The OBR seemed to get rather more sceptical about productivity when Labour showed up. Not sure if there's any justification for it. Sometimes organizations get worried about being called "political" by gobshites so give the Right the benefit of the doubt when they shouldn't.

I've seen people compare this to Truss budget.

Labour’s plan to slash jury trials at odds with past Starmer calls to expand them
PM once advocated for all criminal cases to be heard before juries even those at magistrates court level, it has emerged

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/no ... lls-expand

Or "man changes. view since 1992".

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:32 pm I've seen people compare this to Truss budget.

James Ball listed the tax rises and said "what a mess". I don't know if there are any big contradictions or anything, or whether there's just a big Bluesky bias in favour of "Just Raise Income Tax FFS". I'm happy with eg the tax on very expensive homes and the gambling tax, straight off. That's nearly £2bn a year straight off, for which I'm happy to pay a little less income tax.

They got rid of the two child benefit cap which Ball wanted them to do. Barely even acknowledged that btw.

Lots of the problems the government is having is that people have strong ideas about "radical change", which they mostly disagree about. Is radical change booting out everyone who came on a boat ever or introducing a wealth tax? Is it (like I want) raising tax on nearly everyone, scrapping the triple lock, and bringing back Sure Start in a massive way? Is it "JUST REJOIN FFS"?

The only thing most of them/us can agree on is that the Government is that it's no good at all, or (at best) it's "missing opportunities" all the time.

22bn is quite an expansive headroom to be honest, the "just raise income tax" lot seem to be able to cope but as I said to my dad, raising taxes just to pay down debt isn't going work. There has to be a narrative, it is why I was ok with the social care tax, it was quite a forward thinking idea to solve what is an increasingly expensive issue especially with the fact we will soon be entering a period where people don't have houses to sell to fund it. The fact they started to use it to pay down Covid debts sort of undermined the idea behind it but I felt it was actually a decent policy by the Tories, one of very few.

As for Truss, wasn't half of the issue because she didn't run it by the OBR, maybe after this morning that opinion should have a bit more support. Also the fact that Reeves can't go around flashing the cash is down to budgets like that and the tax giveaway by Hunt.

Effectively you don't cut income tax, landlords don't see the extra cash around, businesses don't put wages up. Reverse the cut will not solve the issue that the Landlord has taken their pound of flesh and that the business didn't raise wages in line with inflation.