[kreuzberger]

This Murdoch-financed slop has no place on this site, surely, unless we create a thread entitled "Murdoch-financed slop".

I gently remind you of the name of this site, our very raison d'être is discussing right-wing media slop.

I was taking the piss. Implying that that slop bears no relation to actual journalism ...

[Malcolm Armsteen]

I imagine cabinet ministers say all sorts of things in private that they don't say in public. I don't see why you and Malcolm are acting so affronted at what I said.

I'm not affronted. I think you put unquestioning faith in highly dubious sources. I would advise caution, is all.

See my post on reliability of sources...

[Tubby Isaacs]

I think it's worth giving up on people like this on the left, even though this one is a (Corbyn) Labour peer. Biggest single anti-child poverty policy ever, is "managing decline". There've been plenty of taxes on the rich and business in the two budgets, as well he knows, and other measures to boost low incomes. The whole "take it off the rich, they don't spend it" thing is also economically dubious. They don't put the cash under the mattress, they invest.

There's a parallel with Tony Benn here in the seventies, who said the same things about post war governments, Labour and Conservative. This is a trope which is always going to end badly for the Left, because the things that lots of people, because when people think in terms of national prestige, incomes of poor families isn't always the first thing that comes to mind. As the Left soon found out.