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Dalem Lake wrote: ↑Fri Dec 12, 2025 8:20 pm

The Weeping Angel wrote:They're already salivating over that result over on Bluesky.

Pffft! Who gives a fuck what the bluesky lot think, it's a a December council by-election. It's the Scottish and Welsh elections next May that are the ones to be concerned about and it ain't looking good for Labour. Personally, I'm starting to think Starmer's a busted flush and moving into the "shifting him onto somewhere else" camp.

If Starmer goes, he goes. But even then, all of the problems he has are still going to be there, plus their successor is going to be accused of being an unelected Prime Minister.

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 12, 2025 8:32 pm plus their successor is going to be accused of being an unelected Prime Minister.

Which is always far worse when Labour do it: yet how many did the Tories have?!

I think that if Labour somehow decides to depose Keir Starmer, that could be a disaster for the party.

As for Bluesky, yeah, they can be aggravating sometimes. I took a break from there, and honestly, my mood improved; I felt somewhat happier.

Those elections won't be good, but lots of it won't be Starmer's fault, nor will it be particularly bad for Wales/Scotland. Plaid Cymru can be a louder voice for getting more money into Wales, but otherwise aren't going to be very different. The SNP will still be stuck on independence.

If the Mahmood stuff achieves greater control over asylum, then what does Farage have left? He'll do the same stuff, but will so many care? At the moment it's drowning out lots of the stuff that the centre-left probably likes more. Or to put it more accurately, lots of the centre-left is deliberately drowning it out because they've some strange sense that this means that (what? The Greens? The SDP?) comes in and energy prices fall instantly.

I worry about what will happen in England with Reform, but the Greens are doing well in the cities.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Fri Dec 12, 2025 9:02 pm Those elections won't be good, but lots of it won't be Starmer's fault, nor will it be particularly bad for Wales/Scotland. Plaid Cymru can be a louder voice for getting more money into Wales, but otherwise aren't going to be very different. The SNP will still be stuck on independence.

If the Mahmood stuff achieves greater control over asylum, then what does Farage have left? He'll do the same stuff, but will so many care? At the moment it's drowning out lots of the stuff that the centre-left probably likes more. Or to put it more accurately, lots of the centre-left is deliberately drowning it out because they've some strange sense that this means that (what? The Greens? The SDP?) comes in and energy prices fall instantly.

Don't worry, this fellow has a plan.



In short, there will be pain, but eventually Labour will come out as a more coherent social democratic party, and we will be as ideologically coherent as the Lib Dems.

If Starmer goes, he goes. But even then, all of the problems he has are still going to be there, plus their successor is going to be accused of being an unelected Prime Minister.

The latter isn’t a problem if you go to the polls within a honeymoon period but share your scepticism that dumping Starmer will solve much. Destroying a Labour premiership will still be the right wing media’s objective.

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 13, 2025 12:17 am In short, there will be pain, but eventually Labour will come out as a more coherent social democratic party, and we will be as ideologically coherent as the Lib Dems.

Whose sole policy seems to be "rejoin now, they'd love us back" - the same sort of exceptionalism that drove Brexit. I don't see Starmer on a trampoline though.

Meanwhile, the populism of Zack Farage/Nigel Polanski grows.

It's not even rejoin, just enter into a customs union.

It's still something unlikely to happen though, isn't it?